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Duckwing6 · « **on:** February 20, 2001, 02:06:00 AM »

Beat the TA152 in the F4U-1D

What is it what these birds do, what not ?

DW6

juzz · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2001, 02:52:00 AM »

Ta 152H-1 only does 350mph at s/l - the F4U-1 is faster at low altitude(edit: faster by 10mph to 15k, then equal to 20k, then the Ta 152H-1 is faster). The F4U-1 will also roll alot faster because it doesn't have those ridiculous 47ft+ glider wings on it!

The Tank will probably out-turn and out-climb the F4U-1 at all altitudes, of course even more at higher altitudes.

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 02-20-2001).]

Jochen · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2001, 02:54:00 AM »

Well, here is how I would think advantages are in different categories.

Climb and acceleration - marginally 152
Deck speed - even
High alt speed - clearly 152
Ceiling - clearly 152
Roll - even
Turn - even
Dive - even

Altough 190 always rolls better than F4U I'm not sure about 152 since it has greater wingspan. On the other hand F4U usually turns better than 190 but Ta 152 has greater wing area and maybe even better powerloading than any 190 which helps in turning.

F4U pilot should fight in low where Ta 152 is not faster. Of course diving to deck mihgt not be that bright idea in main where cons are everywhere.

Ta 152 are definitely bad news for bomber pilots and P-47 and P-51 pilots.

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RAM · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2001, 03:02:00 AM »

Better Speed at SL---->F4U1 (by 10mph)
acceleration---------->Ta152H
climbrate------------->Ta152H
turning--------------->not sure, Ta152H outturned tempests...dunno if that is enuf to outturn F4Us too

But I doubt it.
Rollrate------------->F4U1 by a decent margin. Fw190's wonderful rollrate was killed by those big span wings.
Dive----------------->Not sure but Dhog should dive better (less drag in the Hog than in the Ta152)

in general, under 25K I think the Dhog is a better plane than the Ta152. In fact, under 15K I would rather like have a Fw190A5 than a Ta152H. Over 25K is a complete different story ,tho.

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Sancho · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2001, 03:19:00 AM »

Now we really need a P-47M.

juzz · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2001, 03:29:00 AM »

Hehe, then the Ta 152 pilots would have to climb to 35k+ to show the superiority of their new fighter!

Jekyll · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2001, 03:51:00 AM »

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Originally posted by juzz:
Hehe, then the Ta 152 pilots would have to climb to 35k+ to show the superiority of their new fighter!

Basically.. YES. At arena altitudes the 152 should easily be beaten by at least half of the current unperked aircraft.

Now a DORA .... that's another issue entirely

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Staga · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2001, 05:17:00 AM »

It'll be fun to hang in 40k waiting some poor B-17 to come in at "Safe alt" 34k

Duckwing6 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2001, 05:59:00 AM »

Thanks loads guys took a lot of scare outta me

DW6

Vermillion · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2001, 06:40:00 AM »

I agree with RAM, Juzz, and Jekyll. Ta152's will be very scary to strato buff dweebs use to using 35k B17s to be invincible, but to the MA fighter crowd, should not be much of a threat. Well, at least any more than a whole handfull of other unperked current fighters.

Here are some interesting Ta152 performance charts:
http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-1.jpg http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-2.jpg http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-3.jpg http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-4.jpg http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-5.jpg

The Ta152 will be extremely deadly in its element, up at high altitudes. Down low will be another story entirely.

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niklas · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2001, 07:05:00 AM »

Vermillion, those charts show

a) a 152H-0
b) show the 152 performance with 6 (!!) mg151 and 1 mk108
c) pic 1 is from ´43, a early calculation
d) pic 3 shows the speed for climb and combat power (1580HP@3000rpm sealevel). This is not emergency power, and NOT special emergency power (mw50). It still says 520km/h at sealevel. Maximum power is 2050HP@3250rpm. 520kmh and another 500HP for the reserve

e) Wasn´t there a table in the book that says 580km/h topspeed @sealevel with MW50 (for a H-0)

?

The Ta-152 H-1 is almost 900kg heavier than a 190-A-8 (5220kg). On the other hand, this includes 350l more fuel, GM-1 and MW-50.
The wingloading is lower compared to a A-8.
The Aspect ratio a lot higher (almost 9,0).
It has a better propeller, which produced a lot more thrust.

Let´s see...

niklas

fscott · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »

I think most people right from the get-go don't understand the purpose of planes such as the Ta152. First and foremost, it is an INTERCEPTOR. It was designed as such to eliminate high altitude buffs. That was its MAIN purpose, although it ended up being nothing more than a cap for the Me262.

It is NOT a fighter and not meant to be down low and slow, or even down low and fast. You will be wasted with efficiency if you take it below 10k.

When you strap on the Ta152, you better have a plan and a purpose to defeat high altitude fighters or buffs. Otherwise you will be meat for my P51/Niki/Fw190.

fscott

Jimdandy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2001, 09:34:00 AM »

The Ta 152 is the plane to hang out over the your own territory at 40k waiting for those HQ raids and bouncing incoming high alt fighters. It should excel in those areas. It's THE Super Vulture.