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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2010, 05:18:05 PM »
I cant argue with you dan. It's just that the views out of the 51b look so much different than in the spits. It's like the malcom hood is more noticeable. Know what I mean?
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2010, 05:31:30 PM »
nice pics,  I got distracted as to what you guys were talking about but if it involves my Spitfire having awesome rear views so I can check 6 with even more ease I  +1   the thread   :D

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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2010, 08:05:35 PM »
Wow!  I spent some time with Terry at his home in 1985 during the 41 Squadron reunion.    Wonderful people.

that must have been a very special moment for you,   I sent you a PM
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2010, 12:29:02 AM »
Here's a couple more of Terry Spencer.  First one was taken right before he took off on a flight where he was shot down by flak.  He was captured, then escaped with another former Spit XII driver.  They stole a motorcycle and rode across the Remagen Bridge to the Allied lines.  And it wasn't any movie when they did it :)


This one has Spencer in the middle sitting in the car.  I'd gotten this photo from a Warrant Officer pilot who flew XIIs with 41 at Lympne before going on to Typhoons for the run across the continent.  When I showed Terry his response was "That's the Blue Peril!"

Not knowing what the heck he was talking about I asked him to explain.  The car he is sitting in was his during the war and it was blue.  Apparently you could get a lot of Spitfire pilots in it for the run to the pub when needed.  Running on high octane avgas didn't always work well at times, hence the Peril part of the equation.  Although I think an overload of drunken Spit pilots might also play a part in that name :)

I had a chance to correspond or meet 5 of the 6 guys in that photo taken at Lympe during August of 44 while they were still in Spit XIIs.  Left to right, New Zealander Brian Weeds, Danny Weeds, who shot down a 262 in a Spit XIV, Terry Spencer, who claimed the last kill in a Spit XII when he downed JG 54 ace Bully Lang in his 190 in September 44, Pete Hale, Canadian Bill Stowe whose Spit XIV RM797 still exists and is being restored in Australia, and a Belgian pilot whose name escapes me at the moment.

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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2010, 12:31:14 AM »
I cant argue with you dan. It's just that the views out of the 51b look so much different than in the spits. It's like the malcom hood is more noticeable. Know what I mean?

It does seem that by your screenshot that the bulge out to each side on the AH Spit isn't as pronounced as it should be.  I have read in a couple places, most notably Richard Turner's book on his time flying 51s with the 354th, that some Mustang pilots actually thought the visibilty was better with the Malcom hooded B/C then with the D as the bulge to each side allowed them to look back and down below their tails.
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 12:08:55 PM »
The malcom hood was introduced very early in the spits . very few front line Spit I's had the straight canopies. the majority had the malcom hoods.
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 01:05:26 PM »
The malcom hood was introduced very early in the spits . very few front line Spit I's had the straight canopies. the majority had the malcom hoods.
Read Dan's post earlier in this thread.  It explains when it was introduced.  The flat on the sides, bulged on top canopy that most Spitfire Mk Is had is not a Malcolm Hood.
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 02:47:11 PM »
It does seem that by your screenshot that the bulge out to each side on the AH Spit isn't as pronounced as it should be.  I have read in a couple places, most notably Richard Turner's book on his time flying 51s with the 354th, that some Mustang pilots actually thought the visibilty was better with the Malcom hooded B/C then with the D as the bulge to each side allowed them to look back and down below their tails.

I find this to be true in-game as well.

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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2010, 01:47:28 AM »
look up AR213 Mk IA spit I have a picture of  it's got the bulged canopy (top and sides)  I can scan the picture if you'd like.   spit P7350 MKII , all restored to original flying condition apart from the 4 blade prop instead of 2 blade fixed. (AR213 is being repainted as a "Bounce" aircraft at the moment  as it was in 1941).
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2010, 02:08:48 AM »
look up AR213 Mk IA spit I have a picture of  it's got the bulged canopy (top and sides)  I can scan the picture if you'd like.   spit P7350 MKII , all restored to original flying condition apart from the 4 blade prop instead of 2 blade fixed. (AR213 is being repainted as a "Bounce" aircraft at the moment  as it was in 1941).
Are those restored Spits, or photos from 1940?  The photos need context.  A Mk I in late 1941 might very well have received a Malcolm Hood.
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2010, 09:42:31 AM »
Most restored Spits have the bulged 'malcom' style canopy.  AR213 a late production Spit I had this canopy post war.  When she was finally restored back to stock Mark I recently they replaced the later hood with the correct style for a Mark I which is the slab sided canopy with the knockout panel



AR213 would never have had a 2 blade prop as a late production Mk I.
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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 09:50:45 AM »
look up AR213 Mk IA spit I have a picture of  it's got the bulged canopy (top and sides)  I can scan the picture if you'd like.   spit P7350 MKII , all restored to original flying condition apart from the 4 blade prop instead of 2 blade fixed. (AR213 is being repainted as a "Bounce" aircraft at the moment  as it was in 1941).

Mod 461 for the Spit V is for a 'balloon' hood. (retro fit all marks) dated Oct 21 1941

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Re: Spit XVI Bubble-top?
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 03:22:54 PM »
ahh . i'll just shut up now and whimper in the corner , rocking back and fore on my heels . suggestions  should I mutter :
"bugger bugger bugger"
 
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