OK, OK, I CONCEDE!
The thread has gone WAAAAAAAY off topic and for the sake of all concerned
I ask we close this thread.
I'm man <?> enough to admit I'm wrong and wish all of you the best, but beg
that we all divert our energies unto more pressing subjects at hand.
Such as how many licks DOES it take to get to the centre of a Totsie Pop...pop!