Why do we need the 75mm Sherman? (rant)

[Wildcat1]

wrong again. (u guys must run in packs)

Look at Pongo's reply with my quote.

yes, and you guys, the ones who dont appreciate the game and dont enjoy having one of WWII's most important vehicles added into the game, you must run in packs as well.

and the P-51A's allison engine, in every single aspect there is, is inferior compared to the rolls-royce/merlin engine in the P-51B/D.

[Kenne]

yes, and you guys, the ones who dont appreciate the game and dont enjoy having one of WWII's most important vehicles added into the game, you must run in packs as well.

and the P-51A's allison engine, in every single aspect there is, is inferior compared to the rolls-royce/merlin engine in the P-51B/D.

so in other words my response to pongo's is correct.
I just wanted to make that clear you incase you had forgotten 

[321BAR]

wrong again. (u guys must run in packs)

Look at Pongo's reply with my quote.

i meant in both senses kenne. the hispano's weighed the Pony down too much to let it fly like an eagle to the sea and the allison didnt let the spirit carry it (me). aka cannon p51=crap. allison p51=crap. cannon allison p51=crappy crap

[Ack-Ack]

i meant in both senses kenne. the hispano's weighed the Pony down too much to let it fly like an eagle to the sea and the allison didnt let the spirit carry it (me). aka cannon p51=crap. allison p51=crap. cannon allison p51=crappy crap

The Mustang IA that had the 4x 20mm cannons was a very good plane, the major drawback was the dramatic decrease in performance at 15,000ft and above because of the single stage supercharger's critical altitude rating.  The British found the Mustang IA, with its long range to be excellent in the ground attack and tactical recce role but of limited value as a fighter due to the performance hit at 15,000ft and above.

At low altitudes, the Allison Mustangs were excellent planes.

ack-ack

[321BAR]

The Mustang IA that had the 4x 20mm cannons was a very good plane, the major drawback was the dramatic decrease in performance at 15,000ft and above because of the single stage supercharger's critical altitude rating.  The British found the Mustang IA, with its long range to be excellent in the ground attack and tactical recce role but of limited value as a fighter due to the performance hit at 15,000ft and above.

At low altitudes, the Allison Mustangs were excellent planes.

ack-ack

yes but vs other fighters? those cannons would hold it down in fights

[KG45]

as a dedicated GVer, it will take some time for me to figure out how to use the new tanks. looking forward to some fun town killing with the rockets.

hopefully they will be useful, prolly in high ENY situations. not end-up as hanger queens like the Stdk251.

[321BAR]

as a dedicated GVer, it will take some time for me to figure out how to use the new tanks. looking forward to some fun town killing with the rockets.

hopefully they will be useful, prolly in high ENY situations. not end-up as hanger queens like the Stdk251.

251 aint much of a hanger queen. compared to the others yes i guess. but i use it and i see others use it

[Kenne]

yes but vs other fighters? those cannons would hold it down in fights

i disagree.
even tho it performed badly above 15k..it wood still fly above that alt. so if you had a 51 with 4 20s,
buff hunter , boom n zoom  .
 think of it as a faster N1K2

[Ack-Ack]

yes but vs other fighters? those cannons would hold it down in fights

At altitudes below 15,000ft, the Mustang IA was more than capable of defending itself against another fighter.  I believe some scored a few kills over Dieppe.


ack-ack

[Saxman]

yes but vs other fighters? those cannons would hold it down in fights

Probably not much more than the 20mm holds down the F4U-1C vs. the 1D. Could it be a difference maker? Yes, but it's very slim.

[Guppy35]

At altitudes below 15,000ft, the Mustang IA was more than capable of defending itself against another fighter.  I believe some scored a few kills over Dieppe.


ack-ack

Not cannon armed 51s.  The MG armed RAF Allison Mustangs were there.  And how did this thread become the inevitable 4 cannon Allison Mustang dream anyway?

Bring on the P51DVLR(20mm)!

[Die Hard]

Four .50 cal M2 = 255 lbs
Six .50 cal M2 = 382 lbs
Four 20mm Hispano II = 440 lbs

So there's a whopping 58 lbs difference in gun weight between the typical six machine gun US configuration and a four cannon version.

[Kenne]

  And how did this thread become the inevitable 4 cannon Allison Mustang dream anyway?

Yes, this thread HAS been derailed.

Well Pongo posted a reply (c page 6 midaway down) using a quote of mine stating that the first mustangs
where cannon version (Mustang1As) when in fact they were Mustang1s with a weapons
package similar to the P40B...

[Soulyss]

Yes, this thread HAS been derailed.

Well Pongo posted a reply (c page 6 midaway down) using a quote of mine stating that the first mustangs
where cannon version (Mustang1As) when in fact they were Mustang1s with a weapons
package similar to the P40B...

Just for the record that is incorrect, the early production variants of the P-51 were XP-51, P-51, A-36, P-51A.  

I believe the prototype XP-51 was unarmed, and according to Dean (America's Hundred Thousand) The next model was the P-51 which had four 20mm cannons, from there they went to the A-36 which in addition to other changes had the armament changed to 4 .50's in the wings and 2 under the nose.  The next model the P-51A changed it again to the 4 .50 cal machine guns in the wings that we see on the B and C models.

*edit*
I was wrong myself on the XP-51/NA-73X armament, it is not mentioned in Dean, but online sources do have it listed as 4 .30's and 2 .50's cal MG's.  So as with most arguments it comes down to semantics.  The prototypes did have a similar armament to the P-40B but the first production models that were delivered to units did not, at least as near as I can figure.

[THRASH99]

Did gamers ask for the 75mm Sherman?

point taken..i was just labouring under the idea of 'customer is always right'

Ok, first off to start, if you don't want a 75mm sherman than ignore the fact that it was never brought up, as if it doesn't exist. I mean heck, I don't want spit 16 in the game, but yet it still gets credit for very little combat service it saw and the award to be in AH. P-51H was in the war, had very little combat and why doesn't that get credit? Yes the customer is right, but it's not just what you want, it's what other people want to have in the game. All these bugs that are in the game right now have been there since the day of the new release of AH, for example: trees messed up, the rounds hitting and not destroying the tree, you hitting a tree and flipping over and/or spinning out of control instead of you mowing the tree down, etc. There's also something very easy to do if you don't like this game; end account and play something else, there are other games besides AH