Ki - 84

[Simba]

Can't see why you can't have the bomb/droptank mix - just as long as the Hayate's dismal tendency to snap off one or both main undercarriage legs on landing due to the poor standards of production and maintenance pertaining in 1944-45 is also modelled.

 

[Kenne]

What Ack-Ack is referring to, at a guess, is that 1) the P-51 does not have fowler flaps and 2) the Ki-84's fowler flaps are most certainly useful in combat, if you know how to use the fighter's strengths.

well the 51 has full flaps, the spits, split flaps, the 84 fowlers, like the 29.
but the 51 can deploy 1 notch at 200ias, the 84 cant.

now the 51s flaps dont increase wing area as the fowlers do.
so is it just the design of the hydraulics (in the 84) that prevent them from being deployed at med speeds?

[321BAR]

well the 51 has full flaps, the spits, split flaps, the 84 fowlers, like the 29.
but the 51 can deploy 1 notch at 200ias, the 84 cant.

now the 51s flaps dont increase wing area as the fowlers do.
so is it just the design of the hydraulics (in the 84) that prevent them from being deployed at med speeds?

they can deploy one notch at 450 TAS and a 2nd notch at 300-350 iirc

[Kenne]

they can deploy one notch at 450 TAS and a 2nd notch at 300-350 iirc

your talking the Ki84..yes?

ill have to test this tonight.

thank you.

[Ack-Ack]

your talking the Ki84..yes?

ill have to test this tonight.

thank you.

No, he was not referring to the Ki-84.  The limitation of what speeds the Ki-84 can deploy its flaps at is more likely due to the design of the fowler flap system it used than anything else.  The Ki-84 flaps were not intended to be used solely for landing like the flaps on the Spitfire, it would have been an inefficient use of the fowler flaps had that been the intent.

ack-ack

[Kenne]

The Ki-84 flaps were not intended to be used solely for landing like the flaps on the Spitfire, it would have been an inefficient use of the fowler flaps had that been the intent.

then you say THEY SHOULD be deployable as a 'manuvering flap'?

[Ack-Ack]

then you say THEY SHOULD be deployable as a 'manuvering flap'?

Yes I do because they are deployable as maneuvering flaps, albeit as a lower speed than you find in most planes.  Just because you can't deploy them at 250mph IAS like you can with the P-38 (the other plane in AH with Fowler Flaps) doesn't mean they were solely used for landing.  As I mentioned earlier, putting Fowler Flaps in a plane and then only intended for them to be used as landing flaps (like the flaps on the Spitfire) is a waste and extremely inefficient.

ack-ack

[JunkyII]

Question.

How many different versions of the KI84 are there that actually saw action in WW2?


I've heard rumors of a 4 cannon set up on one of them

[gpwurzel]

I see where your going with this Junky (its just cost me a cup of tea over me keyboard as well ya loon)


 

Wurzel

[Kenne]

Question.
How many different versions of the KI84 are there that actually saw action in WW2?
I've heard rumors of a 4 cannon set up on one of them

there was the 4 20mm version the Ib model, (basically a lower performing NIK2)
there was even a bomber interceptor, the Ic, with 2 20s and 2 30s...

but ours is the most common, the Ia, with its current weapons package.

[Karnak]

There were several hundred built with four Ho-5 20mm cannons, and contrary to what Kenne said, they would perform very much like the one in AH, only changing the weight of the machine guns+ammo out for the weight of the cannons+ammo.

There were low single digit Ki-84-Ic with two 20mm and two 30mm cannon, but they saw no action.

[FTJR]

Can't see why you can't have the bomb/droptank mix - just as long as the Hayate's dismal tendency to snap off one or both main undercarriage legs on landing due to the poor standards of production and maintenance pertaining in 1944-45 is also modelled.

 

I snap both main gear off landing 60% of the time, no problem, I dont think it needs help there

[321BAR]

they can deploy one notch at 450 TAS and a 2nd notch at 300-350 iirc

recorrecting my last statement. 350 and 250 respectfully

[ACE]

nah the M-18

Nah 

[EDO43]

then you say THEY SHOULD be deployable as a 'manuvering flap'?

Absolutely, that's what they were used for on the prototype.  Japanese called them butterfly flaps; when deployed, they resemble wings of a butterfly.