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Offline Squire

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 2 ...
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 10:27:52 PM »
Ok, I think its time we stopped with this pervasive myth (that I am seeing regularily now on the AH BBS ) that a/c in the Pacific did not fly at high alt because they lacked oxygen, and the added myth that I-16s "lacked oxygen.".

The I-16 had an oxygen sytem after the I-16 Type 4 from the mid 1930s. You could not fly above 15,000 feet without one. It would have been beyond useless as a fighter in the 1940s with no O2 system. The Chinese Air Force flew I-16 Type 10s. The I-16s in the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) were type 5s and 6s.

I can quote any # of books on the air fighting in the Pacific that puts fighters at 20,000 feet and above ***Japanese included***. Fighter planes flew at high alts to do exactly what they do in FSO: to gain an alt advantage on the bombers (and fighters) so they are in a position of advantage. Its a tactic that was used in 1917 (it was not invented in 1944, albeit the WW1 a/c flew much lower). Does this mean that every air battle took place at 30,000 feet? no, like any campaign, they differed depending on the circumstance, but high alt engagements were not rare, or impossible.

Sometimes SEA setups, for balance or design purposes only, have alt limits, thats not to say they are in place because the a/c involved literally could not go that high, which is perhaps giving "legs" to this notion.

Please stop, or I am going to call "Mythbusters".  ;)

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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 2 ...
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 11:26:48 PM »
I can quote any # of books on the air fighting in the Pacific that puts fighters at 20,000 feet and above ***Japanese included***.

Sure, it happened.  There's just as many other stories about battles that took place at altitudes below 15,000 feet.  I know in just about every engagement the 348th FG was involved in, they were diving on IJA aircraft that were cruising at 12,000 feet or so. 

At this point in the war, the tactics didn't include running bombers and fighters at 30,000 feet.
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Re: Rangoon Sunrise frame 2 ...
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 12:22:05 AM »
This battle from the historical perspective happened a low altitudes with the exception of the medium bombers, due to the fact that the Japanese forces caught the Chinese and Dutch forces off guard...the numbers also heavily favored the Japanese because the defensive forces were very small in number. But that's neither here nor there...

This FSO setup is just like all the others...we all know what targets have to be attacked/defended prior to each frame...there are rules and limits to operate within...and everyone wants a "fair" setup...the only thing "historical" about these setups is the locations and most of the aircraft used...otherwise it's still just a game...you win some, you lose some.

The group I flew with did an excellent job executing their assignments...even though we had impromptu orders that we had to adjust just to make it on time and I'm not very good at leading a group where we have to change the plan as we're launching...not to mention the fact that I suck as a toon pilot...I tip my had to the 327th Steel Talons - Hellcat Fighter Group - III/JG11 and Kommando Nowotny...as well as the groups that defended P14...it was a lot of fun.
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