109G-10

[Ghosth]

More than enough 109 variants already. Japanese planeset seriously needs work.

[whipster22]

D4Y, A6M, G4M, P1Y, Ki-43, Ki-21 just to name a few

[1carbine]

What's the difference between a G-14 and a G-14/as.

But -1 on the G-10.

[Karnak]

Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS are boosted for high altitude work, they can fight up at US bomber offensive altitudes.  Currently the only Bf109 that can fight effectively up there is the Bf109K-4, and it is too late in the war for scenario use.

Frankly, they don't need to add a Bf109G-14/AS, just change the current Bf109G-14 in the /AS model.

[Krusty]

The mid-to-late-43 model of G6 we have doesn't really "fit" in later setups. The G14 as-modeled (16k FTH) fills a fairly big mid-to-late-war hole in the planeset. Simply turning it to an AS model would leave that G6 hole intact.

[Karnak]

What are the respective service dates for the Bf109G-14 and Bf109G-14/AS?

[PJ_Godzilla]

More than enough 109 variants already. Japanese planeset seriously needs work.

And the arscheklownen koms - er, I mean Soviet set, and the Italian one as well.

[EDO43]

AH used to have the Bf109G-10. we used to fly it regularly on bomber intercept missions.  When the game morphed to AHII, (IIRC) they changed it to the Bf109K-4.  There's not that much difference between the two.  They use the same engine, same guns and the G-10 had a 20mm nose cannon option as well. I don't remember if it could carry gondola or not but I seem to think that it could (in the game).

[Karnak]

AH used to have the Bf109G-10. we used to fly it regularly on bomber intercept missions.  When the game morphed to AHII, (IIRC) they changed it to the Bf109K-4.  There's not that much difference between the two.  They use the same engine, same guns and the G-10 had a 20mm nose cannon option as well. I don't remember if it could carry gondola or not but I seem to think that it could (in the game).

AH never had the Bf109G-10.  It had a Bf109K-4 that was called a Bf109G-10 so that the developers could give it 20mm and gondola options.

[EDO43]

AH never had the Bf109G-10.  It had a Bf109K-4 that was called a Bf109G-10 so that the developers could give it 20mm and gondola options.

Huh?  Like I said, the G-10 and the K-4 were not that different.  Same engine, pretty much same gun package....  Where'd you get the idea that the G-10 was really a K-4 in disguise?  I'd like to see pyro or dale confirm that one.

[PJ_Godzilla]

AH never had the Bf109G-10.  It had a Bf109K-4 that was called a Bf109G-10 so that the developers could give it 20mm and gondola options.

That's exactly what I'd like - the option to dump the 30mil for the 20's on the K-4.

[Karnak]

Bf109G-10s had more drag than the K-4s due to the older G shape.  Typical max speed for a G-10 was ~425mph compared to the K-4's ~450mph.  AH's old "Bf109G-10" did 452mph, not 424mph.

That's exactly what I'd like - the option to dump the 30mil for the 20's on the K-4.

Not appropriate on Bf109K-4 performance.

[Krusty]

What are the respective service dates for the Bf109G-14 and Bf109G-14/AS?

Good question. I'd have to go look it up.

The flip-side is that if the G14/AS enters the fight later than needed to fill the gap, we can just give ourselves the G6/AS. Those started showing up before the G14/AS did, and essentially they're the same thing but one has MW50 and one does not. Both/either would be a major improvement over the G6 and G14 currently at above 16k.

EDIT: I am guessing here, but I think the G14/AS was around as early as the G14 was. That'd be mid-1944? (guessing)

[Motherland]

EDIT: I am guessing here, but I think the G14/AS was around as early as the G14 was. That'd be mid-1944? (guessing)

This is correct... mid-late Summer '44 for both the G-14 and G-14/AS.

Rather than a G-14/AS, I'd like to see a G-5/AS or G-6/AS, for both a high altitude Gustav, and for the sake of having a representation of the late G-5/6 line, with Erla Haube canopy, tall tail, and MK108.

[Mus51]

So, basically a K-4 with the 20 mil option, why not? Because we have to many 109's already? Maybe i have a biased opinion because I'm a big fan of the 109, but in my honest opinion it doesn't hurt the game if we have add a slightly different 109 then what we have already.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the G-10 only needs a small modification to that of the 109K. That looks far less work compared to building new planes from scratch (D4Y, A6M, G4M, P1Y, Ki-43, Ki-21 as previously been mentioned).

In other words: Make a small adjustment to the bubbles on the nose, give it a 20 mil option and a slightly worse engine and your done!

My 20 cents.