Definition of Draconian.

[danny76]

afaik theres nothing in UK law to prevent you from buying, owning and using any knife, with any sized blade, fixed or not. assuming you are over 16 that is. there is also nothing preventing you from walking around in public with a large knife, as long as you need to for a legitimate reason. blame the supplier for either 1. not understanding the law, or 2. being overly cautious.


edit: as for protecting yourself and your property (or indeed others and their property) you have a range of legitimate options, up to and including killing someone. the key phrase here is "reasonable force".

edit2: any knife isnt quite right, I should have said any reasonable knife - ie. legitimate in purpose. there are banned knives, butterfly knives, belt buckle blades etc. but they are all designed for use against people, not cutting cabbages.

All true, all exactly what I believed and was trained in, The Offensive Weapons act  etc etc.

However, I don't ever remeber studying something called Secton 21 of the Knives Act 1997, which specifically precludes carrying of certain blades, restricting them to military use only, or if you a member of certain religion.

I'm considering converting to Sikhism

[jimson]

Come to Arizona my friend.

EDIT: Better safe than banned LOL

[AApache]

[RTHolmes]

All true, all exactly what I believed and was trained in, The Offensive Weapons act  etc etc.

oops sry, missed that your an ex-copper, you'll know this stuff way better than I do. I also teach an egg-sucking course if your grandma is interested ...

[danny76]

oops sry, missed that your an ex-copper, you'll know this stuff way better than I do. I also teach an egg-sucking course if your grandma is interested ...

Had a word with her, but she's brown. Appreciate the offer nevertheless

[rogwar]

[whipster22]

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I like my meat well done 

[trax1]

I gotta say the laws over there are pretty ridiculous, especially from my point of view as an American.  It does seem like England is becoming more & more a police state, especially with all the surveillance cameras they have all over, it's sad when the criminals are better armed then the law abiding citizens of a country are. 

[oneway]

This is going to end up a flame fest with a bunch of people getting banned from the board.

I could lock it, but then someone would start another thread whining about it, so I will not lock it.  I'll just consider this a warning and see which numpties lose their board privs.

Why in the world, given the legitimate complaint of the OP and oppressive nature of the UK regime would you jump to this conclusion?

He is right...

Further...on balance the population of this BBS system are independent free thinkers who feel eminently qualified to handle a pocket knife...

Strange

Oneway

[rogwar]

We cannot solve all of the worlds problems IN here...

[oneway]

We cannot solve all of the worlds problems IN here...

As thinking and mature adults we can surely discuss them though...

We are not children...

Stifling intelligent discussion as a manner of convenient expediency is neither convenient nor expedient....

Oneway

[allaire]

We may not be the age of children but some people given the anonymity of the net will act like a child.  It's sad that it comes to rules like the ones we have, but it is better that this doesn't turn into our very own flamethrower war zone.  There are places for that.

[oneway]

We may not be the age of children but some people given the anonymity of the net will act like a child.  It's sad that it comes to rules like the ones we have, but it is better that this doesn't turn into our very own flamethrower war zone.  There are places for that.

Fair enough...though tragic given the vibrant and fertile minds that inhabit these boards...

I concede your point and broader good....

Tragic and unfortunate..what a waste of opportunity for vibrant discussion given the caliber of Aces High patrons...

 

[AKH]

From the British Association for Shooting and Conservation:

It is now illegal to have any sharply pointed or bladed instrument in your possession, in a
public place without good reason or lawful authority.

Good reason for carrying a knife may be shown by occupation as a farmer, estate manager,
recreational stalker, gameshooter, angler or anyone else who has reasonable grounds for expecting
to need a knife whilst pursuing a lawful activity.

Restrictive, as are most laws, hardly draconian or oppressive. 

Try these suppliers:
http://www.surplusstore.co.uk/catalog/index.php/cPath/67
http://www.greenmanbushcraft.co.uk/cutting-tools/knives/

[Nashwan]

I really don't understand Danny's problem. There is no law banning the purchase of the knife he's after.

Here's a UK online shop selling it: http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/Ka-Bar/c-1-92-155/

There is a law making it illegal to market a knife as being suitable for combat, but it just applies to the marketing, not the sale.

As to carrying knives, the law states that anything "made or adapted" for causing injury, or intended to cause injury, can't be carried without reason. However, most knives aren't made or adapted for causing injury, they are tools, and as such it rests on intent. If you are carrying a knife around a town centre without a good reason the prosecution will claim intent to use it, if you are out on a camping trip then the intent is obviously to use it as a tool.

However, I don't ever remeber studying something called Secton 21 of the Knives Act 1997, which specifically precludes carrying of certain blades, restricting them to military use only,

I think you are misreading the act. It's about marketing of knives. It's illegal to market a knife based on its suitability for combat, unless you are marketing it to a military force.