Tank destroyers, any thoughts?

[321BAR]

Somehow I thought that it would be a standard feature even in WW2 tanks to be able to run the tracks in opposite directions but apparently it's not. Had not really thought about it before...

The brake/clutch system has been in WW2Online for ages and it works really well and AFAIK none of the tanks modelled there have pivot turn -at least none modelled.

-C+

i seriously thought i was right about the pivot turn until i looked up the Ak 7-200... not a single tank other than the PnzrV Panther had pivot turn and even then it was dangerous to do due to the unreliability of the transmission.

[save]

stug3 was one of the most numerous support vehicles during the war .
Many variants , from the short 75mm , 50mm , 50mm long , the 75mm antitank.

[Ghosth]

i seriously thought i was right about the pivot turn until i looked up the Ak 7-200... not a single tank other than the PnzrV Panther had pivot turn and even then it was dangerous to do due to the unreliability of the transmission.

Not to mention that doing it was seriously hard on tracks, put lots of pressure on the pins.
On the wrong ground, or if you hit a rock you could easily break or throw a track.

[Blooz]

stug3 was one of the most numerous support vehicles during the war .
Many variants , from the short 75mm , 50mm , 50mm long , the 75mm antitank.

Panzer III - 37mm, 50mm, 50mm long, 75mm short, flamethrower

Stug III - 75mm short, 75mm, 105mm, flamethrower

Sig33b - 150mm

Many, many variants...

[BaldEagl]

Jagdpanzer
M-10
M-18
Stug

 

[Lusche]

Jagdpanzer

Which one?

[SmokinLoon]

At this time due to the coading' of the tanks, the M18 or M10 would be the best bet.  These vehicles would be almost useless vs OBJ due to the very low number of HE rounds carried, highly vulnerable against attacks from the air (think of how easy it is to damage the turret/main gun of the Ostwind or Wirblewind), and their offensive punch would be only slightly better, if measurable at all, against other vehicles.  

The M18 would have to rely on its ability to shoot-n-move because it would not be able to stand and fight, and the M10 while having more armor than the M18, it would still have to sit back and engage enemy tanks from a long way out in order to keep its head above water.

  

[BaldEagl]

Which one?

I know the Hetzer was produced in much larger numbers but I was specifically thinking about the Jagdpanzer IV with 7.5 cm PaK 39 L/48.

[Nemisis]

Hell, just add the L48, and add the L70 for a large perk price (say 50 base price).

Perked
Jagdpanzer L70 (50 base)
Jagdpanther (70 base)
Panther (60 base, and yes, I know its not a tank destroyer, but I still want it)
Elephant (100 base)

Free
Jagdpanther L48
Hetzer
Stug III ausf G

[Skulls22]

^^^^^^^

Dont forget M-18 in non perked. We could have a hellkitty in the air, and on the ground!

[321BAR]

At this time due to the coading' of the tanks, the M18 or M10 would be the best bet.  These vehicles would be almost useless vs OBJ due to the very low number of HE rounds carried, highly vulnerable against attacks from the air (think of how easy it is to damage the turret/main gun of the Ostwind or Wirblewind), and their offensive punch would be only slightly better, if measurable at all, against other vehicles.  

The M18 would have to rely on its ability to shoot-n-move because it would not be able to stand and fight, and the M10 while having more armor than the M18, it would still have to sit back and engage enemy tanks from a long way out in order to keep its head above water.

  

Since when has the M10 been a stand off vehicle? it was just a M7 3inch gun. Tank destroyers were meant for speed. the M10 did have more speed than the M4s that the chassis was meant for but not as good as the M18 speed and maneuverability wise. The M18 would just be a slower and much more powerful M8.
Other than my M18 i'd take a
StugIV or III
Jagdpanther
Hetzer
and by the way, Stugs were not tank destroyers. they were SP guns. Jagdpanthers and Hetzers, although also SPs were meant to kill GVs.

[Nemisis]

Stug's weren't designated tank destroyers, but they were often used as them. That was the whole purpose of upgrading to the long barreled 75mm cannon: to increase anti-tank capabilities. Otherwise, Germany would have left them armed with the L24.

The M10 and M18 both used essentially the same gun as the M4A3(76)W, and so all you would get by using one over the M4 is speed, and not a great amount with the M10.

Here is a revised list:

Perked

Jagdpanzer L70 (50 base)
Jagdpanther (70 base)
Panther (60 base)
Elephant (100 base)

Free
Nashorn
Jagdpanther L48
Hetzer
Stug III ausf G.
M18 Hellcat.

The Nashorn is listed as free because of its crappy armor, small ammunition reserve, and because its gun has a limited traverse.

I'm dead serious about the Elephant too. Of course we would have to get a Nashorn at the very least to kill it(its KwK43 L'71 is about the only thing that would be capapble of killing one from the front, given the 200mm armor). Of course, the Tiger I, Firefly, Panther, and Jagdpanzer L70 would all be capable of killing one from the side, but you can't have a tank that is invincible from the front.

[321BAR]

Stug's weren't designated tank destroyers, but they were often used as them. That was the whole purpose of upgrading to the long barreled 75mm cannon: to increase anti-tank capabilities. Otherwise, Germany would have left them armed with the L24.

The M10 and M18 both used essentially the same gun as the M4A3(76)W, and so all you would get by using one over the M4 is speed, and not a great amount with the M10.

Here is a revised list:

Perked

Jagdpanzer L70 (50 base)
Jagdpanther (70 base)
Panther (60 base)
Elephant (100 base)

Free
Nashorn
Jagdpanther L48
Hetzer
Stug III ausf G.
M18 Hellcat.

The Nashorn is listed as free because of its crappy armor, small ammunition reserve, and because its gun has a limited traverse.

I'm dead serious about the Elephant too. Of course we would have to get a Nashorn at the very least to kill it(its KwK43 L'71 is about the only thing that would be capapble of killing one from the front, given the 200mm armor). Of course, the Tiger I, Firefly, Panther, and Jagdpanzer L70 would all be capable of killing one from the side, but you can't have a tank that is invincible from the front.

we'll never get the Elephant. Maybe not even King Tigers. Stugs can never be considered anything other than a tank with no turret. They were used with HE rounds as often as AP.

[Nemisis]

We may, provided we can get something armed with the KwK43 L'71 in the game. Its at 100 base cost, as opposed to the 30 of the tiger. Hell, I'd be happy with 150 base cost even.

Look at how slow it is, it will be used mostly as a defensive type weapon (IMO), because anything in the game could catch it, and its not invincible from the sides. The limited ammo means you're gona wana have a place to land nearby. Limited traverse means that its at a serious disadvantage when dealing with multiple opponents, if it turns to deal with one, it will take fire to the side from the other.

[321BAR]

We may, provided we can get something armed with the KwK43 L'71 in the game. Its at 100 base cost, as opposed to the 30 of the tiger. Hell, I'd be happy with 150 base cost even.

Look at how slow it is, it will be used mostly as a defensive type weapon (IMO), because anything in the game could catch it, and its not invincible from the sides. The limited ammo means you're gona wana have a place to land nearby. Limited traverse means that its at a serious disadvantage when dealing with multiple opponents, if it turns to deal with one, it will take fire to the side from the other.

nobody's gonna wanna up a 100 perk tank when a bomb can kill it. at least in the air you have a chance of survival