T-34/85

[Nemisis]

Really?Then I must ask why is the tiger so highly priced the Firefly's gun beat the L/56 by a long shot,not only that if production doesn't effect the perk price then why was the Firefly's price raised?

First off, the L56 out ranges the 17lbr, and upclose, it still wins. The 17lbr is just powerful enough to make it a draw up close (whoever shoots first wins).

And second, the firefly's price was raised because it was far too cheap for how powerful the gun was. That would be like having an 8 perk panther Ausf G. There were hoards of them, and nothing but the tiger, or another firefly had any real chance at long range.

[E25280]

First off, the L56 out ranges the 17lbr, and upclose, it still wins.

Wins at what?  The 17lbr had better pentration than the Tiger's 88mm gun at all ranges when firing similar ammunition in any penetration tables I have ever seen.

[dirt911]

Well last time i checked 85mm rounds didn't bounce off a tigers turret front.Is it a powerful gun,yes it is,does it deserve such a neglegent perk price,No.

[Karnak]

Tiger I:	K/D Ratio: 3.71 to 1	Kills: 4993	Deaths: 1346
Sherman Firefly VC:	K/D Ratio: 2.46 to 1	Kills: 13189	Deaths: 5358
M4A3(76):	K/D Ratio: 1.36 to 1	Kills: 25597	Deaths: 18813
T-34/85:	K/D Ratio: 1.24 to 1	Kills: 7318	Deaths: 5914
Panzer IV H:	K/D Ratio: 0.75 to 1	Kills: 23560	Deaths: 31430
T-34/76:	K/D Ratio: 0.51 to 1	Kills: 2431	Deaths: 4765
M4A3(75):	K/D Ratio: 0.45 to 1	Kills: 2614	Deaths: 5825

A few things to note about this data:
1) Panzer IV H usage is higher than it will be going forward as the M4A3(76) was not available for the whole tour.
2) Sherman Firefly VC, M4A3(76) and M4A3(75) tanks probably have a slightly boosted K/D ratio due to the recently fixed bug that was giving extra armor behind the gun mantlet.
3) The new found ability for rounds to hit at angles shallower than 70 degrees will have an unknown effect on each tank's K/D ratio.


Those qualifications acknowledged, is there a reason to have the T-34/85 perked and the M4A3(76) free?  Wouldn't it be better to have those two tanks as the top free tanks as they seem to be the two most competitive tanks unless we drop all the way back to the M4A3(75) and T-34/76.  Having the M4A3(76) and T-34/85 both free, if low ENY, would mean that there are two tanks sharing the top spots rather than one tank dominating it as has always been the case in AH prior to now.  This is an opportunity to diversify the tank fights, and it should not be passed on in my opinion.

As I noted earlier in the thread, that leaves the Panzer IV H, M4A3(75) and T-34/76 as tanks to use for perk gathering and for situations in which ENY denies access to the M4A3(76) and T-34/85.  It also pushes the Panzer IV H into a new, valuable role, that of a higher ENY tank that actually has a gun that can hope to accomplish something and that gives sides with a moderate ENY limitation a new option.  No longer does a moderate ENY penalty have to make your tanks 100% less effective, that can now be tuned and reserved for only extreme ENY penalties.

[dirt911]

Oh I take that back that is an impressive K/D ty for the chart.

[Nemisis]

Wins at what?  The 17lbr had better pentration than the Tiger's 88mm gun at all ranges when firing similar ammunition in any penetration tables I have ever seen.

The L56 wins because the tiger was better able to withstand the 17lbr shells than the firefly was at resisting those of the L56. And at long range, the shell lacked the weight to maintain its kenetic energy. Kenetic engergy is (1/2 mass*velocity^2) Speed greatly affects kenetic engergy since its squared, and as the round slows down, it relys more and more on mass.