The tater chucker get nerfed?

[Zoney]

Reading this thread, one would infer that most Tater hits are not doing anything.  I'm just trying to hint that this isn't the actual case.

As HiTech stated, there is a damage bug.  Is it limited to damage from Taters or to aircraft irregardless of what is hitting it?

This thread is just in the same vein as the "I hit an M-3 and it didn't die" threads.  Exaggeration of a "problem". 

I've hit things with Taters that didn't outright kill it before, but a vast majority of hitting,and being hit, by Taters get the desired results.

At any rate, whine on.


wrongway
(Now with extra bold italics)

Dude, relax, there IS a problem, it will be fixed, people weren't imagining a problem.  Let it go already, go fly your plane and have some fun already.

[AWwrgwy]

In case you missed it, this "problem" being addressed:

No, I didn't miss it.

Reading this thread, one would infer that most Tater hits are not doing anything.  I'm just trying to hint that this isn't the actual case.

As HiTech stated, there is a damage bug.  Is it limited to damage from Taters or to aircraft irregardless of what is hitting it?

wrongway
(Now with extra bold italics)

Dude, relax, there IS a problem, it will be fixed, people weren't imagining a problem.  Let it go already, go fly your plane and have some fun already.

Is it a problem with the 30mm though?  So far, seems not, or at least not to the extent that has been implied in these threads.


wrongway

[fbWldcat]

I shot down a mossie today with taters, held down cannon fire and watched him go down, took a few more than normal but they will die. I don't see it as a huge problem, though. Small fix, if there needs to be one.

[BrownBaron]

You can still get kills with this weapon, but the reduced damage shortens the already short clip on 30mm cannons. Let's all hope this isn't an issue that slips through the cracks on the next patch.

[grizz441]

Is it a problem with the 30mm though?  So far, seems not, or at least not to the extent that has been implied in these threads.

No, but when you compare a tater dud versus the impact of a 50cal/20mm dud, it's significance is on the magnitude of 15 times greater, when you compare a clip of 65 taters versus 1000 MG.  Also, tatering deals with setting up instantaneous gun solutions for one chance at a tater solution.  It's not the same as a lag pursuit gun solution where a 20mm or 50cal dud will be of a fractionated significance.  So yes, this bug affects 30mm and 37mm's more than any other gun, by a considerable margin.

[BrownBaron]

Both these films showed a previously unknown problem with the target planes, not the ammo.  It's been a long standing bug (we'll look at all other planes too) that will be addressed in the next patch.

Thanks,
- Sudz

<edit> PS  The mossie had a separate, unrelated damage problem that has also been addressed.

 

[Karnak]

30mm does not hit fifteen times as hard as a 20mm.

[BrownBaron]

30mm does not hit fifteen times as hard as a 20mm.

1000/15=~65........

3 cheers for basic math functions...

[fbWldcat]

Actually, basic math has nothing on the physics (ballistics, Kinetic energy, wind resistance)  
If someone knows the mass of a 20mm bullet and a 30mm bullet, you could see how KE would increase with the mass of the bullet. Also, the 30mm  could hold more explosives.

[Charge]

T. Williams lists the chemical power as 246 for 151/20 (MGs) and 580 for MK108 (MGs) and 200 for Hisso (HE).

-C+

[BiPoLaR]

No, but when you compare a tater dud versus the impact of a 50cal/20mm dud, it's significance is on the magnitude of 15 times greater, when you compare a clip of 65 taters versus 1000 MG.  Also, tatering deals with setting up instantaneous gun solutions for one chance at a tater solution.  It's not the same as a lag pursuit gun solution where a 20mm or 50cal dud will be of a fractionated significance.  So yes, this bug affects 30mm and 37mm's more than any other gun, by a considerable margin.

owned? 

[JunkyII]

No, but when you compare a tater dud versus the impact of a 50cal/20mm dud, it's significance is on the magnitude of 15 times greater, when you compare a clip of 65 taters versus 1000 MG.  Also, tatering deals with setting up instantaneous gun solutions for one chance at a tater solution.  It's not the same as a lag pursuit gun solution where a 20mm or 50cal dud will be of a fractionated significance.  So yes, this bug affects 30mm and 37mm's more than any other gun, by a considerable margin.

You cant argue with the best 30mm shooter in the game....just cant

[hitech]

So yes, this bug affects 30mm and 37mm's more than any other gun, by a considerable margin.

It in no way effects any round more then any other. In fact one could argue using your logic that it effects faster ammo with faster fire rates because you are effect xxx times as often  to have the issue vs a slow firing 30mm.

But it is easier to detect the problem with the 30.

HiTech

[grizz441]

It in no way effects any round more then any other. In fact one could argue using your logic that it effects faster ammo with faster fire rates because you are effect xxx times as often  to have the issue vs a slow firing 30mm.

But it is easier to detect the problem with the 30.

HiTech

I used the incorrect verb.  It impacts those two guns more than any other.  Since they don't have lots of ammo, and proper gun solutions with them are close, and instantaneous, duds devalue their lethality significantly in a given run.  If you compare that to a 50 caliber firing aircraft that is working for a lag pursuit continuous gun solution, a couple duds mixed in to 20 square hits with a 50 caliber aren't going to make more than a negligible difference in lethality.

[Karnak]

1000/15=~65........

3 cheers for basic math functions...

That is meaningless.