What's the next setup?

[Dawger]

I want a few extra days to argue the history. I always learn something in those discussions.

[gyrene81]

Going to argue that today actually. Just wondering if it should be an Africa or Italy setup. Map selection is slim so... 

[Dawger]

Lets do a mix.

Operation Husky, post landings.

Sicily has a bunch of fields close together.

I can whip up a setup for the way I would do it fairly quickly.

[gyrene81]

LOL...I was just looking at Husky myself, from the initial invasion standpoint. Lots of aircraft we don't have. I'm thinking of some limits to the aircraft.

Say primary Allied fighters be P-40s with base capture to get the P-51B. Allied bombers B-26 and Boston III with base capture to get A-20.

Axis primary fighters C-202, C-205, Bf-109G2 with base capture to get Bf-109G6. Axis bombers Ju88 and Ju87.

Allied ground vehicles start with 75mm Sherman, etc... with base capture to get 76mm Sherman and Firefly.

Axis ground vehicles start with Panzer IV, etc... with base capture to get Tiger.


Post what you were considering. Look at the bases and consider strategy.

[Dawger]

Gimme a couple hours and I'll post what I would think would be fun.

[Dawger]

Before I get too deep into this I'll let you know the direction I am going in.

Setup A: July 15, 1943 The allies already have a beach head. The 31st FG has moved to Ponte Olivo on Sicily in their Spitfires. P-40's with the British Desert Air Force have also moved to Sicily.

The P-38's of the 82nd, 1st and 14th FG are supporting the bombers out of North Africa. The US bombers used were the B-17, B-26, B-25 and A-20, none stationed particularly close to Sicily.

Hurricanes  were also involved as well as a bunch of aircraft not in the plane set (A-36, Blenheim, Baltimore, Beaufighter, Wellington)

So with this setup the Allies start with a foothold in Sicily and some aircraft on the island but only second line fighters (Spit V, P-40, Hurricane). The rest of the air assets are off island.

The Axis would have the C202, C205, 109G6 and 190A5 and Ju 87 on Sicily itself and all bombers (Ju88) back in Italy. The 109G6 was definitely on Sicily at the start of the invasion.

Ground Vehicles I would leave up to someone more versed than myself with the gameplay issues associated with them. No C47-s so capture would have to be done by ground with rebuild times that would make that possible.



I don't see any P-51 units involved in Husky but there were A-36 units but the P-51B isn't a suitable sub for the A-36

I think the Allies would have a pretty tough fight to maintain the beach head. Ordnance available on the island for ground attack should reflect the limited supply situation while off of Sicily the allies would have a very good supply situation. The Axis would have a good supply situation on Sicily and ordnance should reflect that.

If this sound reasonable I'll work up a base listing with aircraft.

[gyrene81]

Roll with it Dawger...looks good to me. Since it's Fudgums turn to run a setup, it will be up to him whether it runs this coming week.

Here's some screenshots to work with if you need them:

[Chilli]

I like the setup    A lot of discussion, about the map and settings that should be ironed out first.  I would like to see a version of this soon, but I don't think that we can continue to do full blown untested new setups.  There are folks that have to digest everything, work out the bugs, and get it approved.  Not the other way around.  I have been suggesting a one day mini frame, where we are able to run tests for potential new setups.  This gives folks a day to look forward to if they like surprises, and want to support a particular idea.

I don't see any P-51 units involved in Husky but there were A-36 units but the P-51B isn't a suitable sub for the A-36

   Umm, why not?

[Mister Fork]

The Apache is almost 70mph SLOWER than the 51-B.  Could it be the equivalant of requiring a Typhoon, but subbing it with a Tempest in a 1943 time frame?

[Chilli]

Good point MrFork.  Actually, I fly the Typhoon much more often than the Tempest and the characteristics that I am more impressed with rather than speed is handling in turns.  Another issue that we don't talk about much is the fuel burn rate and close distance to fights.  I will take my near empty Thunderbolt any day over a fully loaded Tempest.  Let's see who hits the dirt first.  I brought that up because the way that we fly these 109s and Jugs and such, is like the fuel used in the AvA has Viagra in it.  Performance is greatly benefited for longer periods of time. 

Warning:  If your Tempest is up for more than 4 hrs. seek mechanical assistance immediately

[Dawger]

Here is the screen shot of Sicily for the start. It basically represents July 18, 1943.



If you want the arena table for the fields it is here

All the fields in Italy and Corsica would be Rishop. All North Africa Rook.

I'll work on asset placement later and can send you the arena tables if you like.

Anyone have a arena variable table for AvA they can send me?

[2bighorn]

I don't see any P-51 units involved in Husky but there were A-36 units but the P-51B isn't a suitable sub for the A-36

P-40E comes darn close and would be better substitute

[Chilli]

He said 70 mph slower than the Pony B, not 170 mph slower   

Let's consider the amount of bang we are getting for our buck ( $15 more accurately phrased).  Do we want a hangar queen, because it's engine is equivalent in power, or do we want a more accurate visual representation, that will make for a more evenly matched fight?

Okay say we go the route of the power plant, we are excluding the lamina flow wing design of the A-36 which was the ice breaker in terms of technology.

[Dawger]

He said 70 mph slower than the Pony B, not 170 mph slower   

Let's consider the amount of bang we are getting for our buck ( $15 more accurately phrased).  Do we want a hangar queen, because it's engine is equivalent in power, or do we want a more accurate visual representation, that will make for a more evenly matched fight?

Okay say we go the route of the power plant, we are excluding the lamina flow wing design of the A-36 which was the ice breaker in terms of technology.

The big difference was the A-36 wasn't supercharged. The P40E is very close in performance to the A-36 and was actually present during Husky.

[Chilli]

With the given fuel burn rate in the AvA, all the planes are surpercharged.  Well, plan all you want.  I like the map at least.  The result will be P38 vs 109 G6 and C205.  The occassional Spit V and 190 will be thrown in there.