Home Defense

[Nefarious]

I keep my Glock on the bedside, but if I had to use a 12 gauge I would go with slugs.

The racking of a 12 gauge is enough to send the toughest criminal running in fear.

[ariansworld]

bud if you have to ask what the best size shot to use.....you just might want to get a dog instead. Most generally the sound of a nice pump action will be enough to stop most in their tracks.

Just keep in mind that if you do fire on someone, it'll more then likely be in the dark at close range. I'd go with #4 shot as you can get plenty on target and won't have near the mess to clean up afterwards. Double ott buck WILL do the job alright, but do you really want to have to clean up the blood and brains imbedded in the walls after it's all said and done?


The 3" BB shell is another good load that's easy to find. A lot of states, such as mine, won't even allow folks to have xx buck shot. Something you may need to look into also.

Just wanted some opinions, that is all.  Right now I have a charles daly home defense shotgun. It has a 18 inch barrel on it, no choke what so ever.

[uptown]

What state do you live in?

What other states do you think it is illegal in?

Most laws that I know of pertaining to or restricting buckshot are hunting/game laws...

This is the first time I have ever heard that buck shot is illegal in certain states.

There is much FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) regarding guns and gun laws...for instance many people believe Buckshot is illegal in New York, Pennsylvania and Illinois...nothing could be further from the truth...though its use is restricted for hunting deer...

Oneway

Oneway

Yes, I did some checking. Here in Iowa you CAN have 00 buck, you just can't hunt with it.  I even found a place or 2 that sells the tactical rounds you mentioned. 

[Maverick]

I'm not a fan about using a long gun for home defense purposes. I would prefer a pistol in tight quarters. No matter what you use you are going to have to be concerned with penetration of walls and where folks are that you do not want to hit. Shotgun will also penetrate dry wall so unless you have solid walls You have to exercise care about what direction you launch rounds.

Most houses don't have super long hallways. Being in close contact is a real possibility if someone comes in uninvited and you won't have a lot of time to prepare either, especially if you are still in the process of just waking up. That's another reason to have something light and handy versus something that is away from the bed or locked in another room.

[redwing7]

My Katana is always close by

around 2.ooo layers, hand pounded,Folded, clay used during the heat treating......wont even feel the arm come off

Sounds very nice, one of Paul Chen's perhaps?

[USRanger]

A Claymore on the porch.  Never had a problem...or a visitor.

[Wildcat1]

A Claymore on the porch.  Never had a problem...or a visitor.

wonder why....

 

[ink]

Sounds very nice, one of Paul Chen's perhaps?

ya his Tiger   

[Plawranc]

If I move and become an American citizen and save up some money, I know what I am buying to protect my home.



There is no such thing as overkill, just guns that are VERY VERY VERY good at their job. With this thing's click when you chamber the first shell, a loud stainless steel clang. No servicing required and little recoil. And fully automatic with a 32 round drum packing 12 gauge shells, if someone enters your home they are leaving quickly... and if they dont then they will leave earth just as fast.

[CAP1]

What is a good 12 gauge shell that would be ideal for home defense?   

the ones the police use.

don't you know that you're supposed to dial 911"? the police will protect you, no need for you to do it yourself. 

[mbailey]

There are alot of variables to consider ie; children or others in the house, nieghbors, what type of shotgun and barrel length and so on. That being said a #4 buckshot makes an excellent home defence round, more BB's, good pattern and less likely to blow through your walls. Remember NEVER EVER leave one in the chamber!!! The fraction of a second it takes to chamber a round in all likelyhood will never be the difference between life and death for you. But it maybe enough time for your mind to identify the difference between a true threat and terrible mistake that could haunt you for the rest of your life.

 

Great response and all very true. Over penetration is one thing that absolutly needs to be considered, also wall materials ie drywall or plaster. At the short ranges that your talking about 10/15 ft , a good high power BB load is going to drop someone in their tracks (while not an optimum,only use  if overpenetration is an issue ). Now if you are like me, and my kids sleep on the 2nd floor ( the wife and I on the first, i feel comfortable using 000 buckshot (federal) I dont need to worry about my round penetrating thru into another room.

Ive tested BB rounds thru my semi aut0 Benelli M1 tactical and at 15 feet it patterned at about a 5 or 6" group with a few fliers. The buckshot well lets just say the Benelli was born to throw that stuff.

All information I pray none of us will ever have to put into effect.

[redwing7]

ya his Tiger   

Sweet. ..always wanted one of his.

[BowHTR]

heres my home defense. The bottom one works just fine.

[CRYPTIC]

I would make sure you pattern your gun. Shoot at a piece of ply wood you be surprised that some guns don't like certain shot. I have won many a bet when only 2 bb's hit the ply wood with 00 and my gun was grouped. It all depends on the shot ,shell and barrel that it was made for. Many a time I've herd I shot 00 and missed. I then ask did you pattern your gun "whats that" I laugh and say more deer for me. Know your equipment one size does not fit all.

[oneway]

Patterning is a great idea...and do it at various ranges out to 40 yards...

I have an 870 that has had some 'work' done to it...

The barrel has been taper bored to IC (improved cylinder). Taper boring is a machining process where the entire length of the barrel is tapered to the ultimate choke diameter at the muzzle. Factory or stock choking typically chokes the last few inches of the barrel. Factory choking puts a lot of stress on the shot column and typically will result in wider dispersion along with 'flyers'. Taper boring on the other hand gradually constricts the shot column and produces night and day differences in shot patterning.

In the case of waterfowl guns...no other modification will increase the range and down range density of a shot column like a taper bore...easily can add 10-20 yards of lethal range to your favorite goose gun...

In addition to taper boring, the 870 has been ported at the muzzle. Porting is the process of drilling a series of holes, angled back, on the top of the barrel. Porting reduces recoil, muzzle rise and tightens the pattern further still.

In addition to the boring and porting, the trigger shear was lightened/re-machined, ghost ring rear and tritium front sight installed, magazine extension installed (7+1), youth butt stock installed, Sure Fire illuminated front slide installed, over sized safety button installed, over size slide release installed and a six pack side saddle...

This particular 870 will print all 9 buck shot pellets well inside of a standard pie plate at 40 yards, and produces holes the size of your fist at 25+ yards in plywood...

Extremely lethal...

Oneway