I don't get it

[FALCONWING]

Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)

What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.

While I am no longer a big NOE'er (except one night a week)....the progression has been a more balanced game imho that did not require draconian tactics in order to survive...HTCs implementation of a "win the war" requirement that requires capture of both country's bases was brilliant and caused a lot of of fairness in the game.  It discouraged "ganging".  This is much more the reason why we don't base capture alot anymore...we don't need to...that simple

[WMLute]

Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.

Most players don't have a clue how many untold hours/days/months/years these players have spent helping players, designing/running Special Events, etc, etc...

They do what they do for no other reason that the love of this game and wanting to give back to the community.

What have you done for the betterment of this community?

While I am no longer a big NOE'er (except one night a week)....the progression has been a more balanced game imho that did not require draconian tactics in order to survive...HTCs implementation of a "win the war" requirement that requires capture of both country's bases was brilliant and caused a lot of of fairness in the game.  It discouraged "ganging".  This is much more the reason why we don't base capture alot anymore...we don't need to...that simple

Oh just admit I have been right all along and you are finally seeing the light.

It is "ok". 

I know you want to...

 

[Dadsguns]

Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.

Most players don't have a clue how many untold hours/days/months/years these players have spent helping players, designing/running Special Events, etc, etc...

They do what they do for no other reason that the love of this game and wanting to give back to the community.

What have you done for the betterment of this community?

And nobody else should be afforded respect but who you listed?  Your farther from the mark than you think you are.  Ghost was out of line.
They volunteered for what they do.  This does not grant them anything special from anyone but a thank you and the recognition for doing so if anyone chooses to give that to them.  
We play the game because we love it as well, and we pay our 15 bucks to play it.  Dont expect someone to be treated special because they volunteer themself to this game.  

Vulgar clearly called it like it was, regardless of what he meant.  It was not a professional thing to say.

[Delirium]

Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I don't think Staff of any kind should be given additional respect unless it is during an event or in their respective arenas online. For example, you cannot ignore a Trainer's instructions in the TA, or a CM during a scenario event for example.

I want Falconwing (delusional or not) to be able to speak his mind towards me like he would any other player.

[FA_Refugee]

Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)

What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.

with all due respect Lute...I'm new to AH and I understood the changes to the radar just happened recently and there is a direct link between NOE's and the reason for the change. ie: under radar went from 500' to 65' to make NOE's practically impossible.

[hitech]

And for the record,

1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.

HiTech

[Dadsguns]

And for the record,

1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.

HiTech

   Thats a good one..... Oh, you were being serious?

[SlapShot]

And for the record,

1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.

HiTech

Make it a STICKY please ...

[WMLute]

And nobody else should be afforded respect but who you listed?  Your farther from the mark than you think you are.  Ghost was out of line.
They volunteered for what they do.  This does not grant them anything special from anyone but a thank you and the recognition for doing so if anyone chooses to give that to them.  
We play the game because we love it as well, and we pay our 15 bucks to play it.  Dont expect someone to be treated special because the volunteer themself to this game.  

Vulgar clearly called it like it was, regardless of what he meant.  It was not a professional thing to say.

There is a reason why Altruism is a core aspect of most major religions.  If you choose to argue against the teachings of people like Jesus or Buddha then we are so far apart in our views that I doubt we will ever find common ground.
(you are probably against giving respect to the elderly or vets as well I will assume?)

Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.

They do it to give back and contribute.

What have you done for the betterment of the community?

And for the record,

1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.

HiTech

 Thats a good one..... Oh, you were being serious?

Don't ya' just hate when that house of cards your opinion is based on comes tumblin' down...

[RufusLeaking]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I don't think Staff of any kind should be given additional respect unless it is during an event or in their respective arenas online. For example, you cannot ignore a Trainer's instructions in the TA, or a CM during a scenario event for example.

Delirium.

All posters should get a certain level of respect.  Personally, I am trying to restrict my posts to what I would say to someone face to face.

Some flaming will still occur.  I remember a real life example of a guy in my USAF squadron saying something like "my father-in-law acts like he owns my house just because he pays the mortgage."  Even face to face, some thoughts need to be flamed.

[Dadsguns]

There is a reason that Altruism is a core aspect of most major religions.  If you choose to argue against the teachings of people like Jesus or Buddha then we are so far apart in our views that I doubt we will ever find common ground.
(you are probably against giving respect to the elderly or vets as well I will assume)

Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.

They do it to give back and contribute.

What have you done for the betterment of the community?

 

First lesson in life you have not yet learned, never assume anything.  
Your still off mark, and I will not go any further into your discussion of religion.
I respect my elders and vets as well, as I am a vet myself.  I also have respect for others that also have respect for others as well.  
I don't brag or boast or to say the least threaten anyone because I hold such an honor, as I would expect anyone else that is a vet to do the same since we volunteered to do so without the recognition.  To abuse or take advantage of that position is wrong, and to expect anything or anyone to recognize that position as a vet or as an HT staff member, or to imply you are deserving of any more or less respect than anyone else because of that position is foolish, arrogant, ignorant.

Don't ya' just hate when that house of cards your opinion is based on comes tumblin' down...

  You dont think that what happened wasn't expected by anyone else but you?  We all know the squeaky wheel gets the grease.  I just hope that with all the decisions he has to make according to everyone elses opinions will still pay off for him, you know like all the other arenas have...... 

[WMLute]

I have not seen a single post from a Trainer, CM, or AvA member saying they deserve or want anything for their actions.

Not sure why you are basing your argument on something that never happened, but when has that ever stopped you eh?

The reason one would respect the elderly, or a vet,  are the same reasons the volunteers in AcesHigh merit respect.

With all due respect , what you SAY you think/believe, and what you post here on the BBS are not aligned.

We all know the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

So you are calling Dale a liar?

[bmwgs]

What have you done for the betterment of the community?

Lute, I think I will make a comment here.  The above sentence and question comes up way to often, and it is always made by a veteran player.

You ask, what Dad's has done for the community.  I'm not the greatest player, but I do assist players when ever I can.  It may be a simple comment that they are wasting bullets when shooting at a plane with a Wirble at 3k or just the other day I helped a new squad mate, who hasn't been in the game very long, set up his view and controls for GVing.  I have seen Dads on countless times assist other players, both squad mates, and countrymen in the same way.

I am giving some personal examples, but I see this from players all the time, including yourself.  I feel, I and many others contribute to this community in many ways.  First by paying our monthly subscriptions fees.  If it wasn't for each and everyone of us doing that, there would be no game, thus no community.  So in a nutshell every subscribed player does contribute.  I know, "I pay my money, I'll play my way", also comes up way to often, but my point is no money, no game, no community.

I agree with Delirum previous post completely, but when a trainer or CM Staff enters a debate, then a response should be allow to be stated without the personal resumes and then the following "What have you done for the betterment of the community?".

I have the utmost respect for the trainers and other players that do the skins, build the maps, and run the scenarios.  I also have respect for HiTech and staff for what they have created, it has brought me three years of enjoyment so far, but that does not mean that I have to agree with them on every subject.  If we are going to have a BBS then there should be discussion and debate, and maybe some of it should not turn into a flame war.

My Opinion

Fred

[1Boner]

So you are calling Dale a liar?

If he was, would the gloves come off??







Sorry -couldn't resist! lol

[Dadsguns]

So you are calling Dale a liar?

I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, even come close to calling him Dale.....     


Lute, you dont have enough on that hook.