I don't get it

[Lusche]

Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence,

Where did you read THAT? 

[bmwgs]

Where did you read THAT? 

I don't think you understand lulu.

No matter how many words you throw on the page, it will change nothing.

Hitech made a change, now he will sit back, and wait for the complaining and whining to stop, and watch the effects of that change. He is not going to react quickly, he is not going to change it back because "some" of his customers did not like the effect. He will take the long view, we are talking months here not weeks.

He will be patient and watch. If the change accomplishes what he was after, then it will stay.
If it falls short, he may make changes, "tweaks" to the changes, OR he may try something else as a complimenting factor.  

We have basically 3 choices to make any time HT makes a sweeping change like this.

A: learn to deal with the new settings, up our game and accept it. (learn a different way to do same thing)
B: Complain or whine a lot, and be frustrated when nothing changes again. (Stuck doing it the old way)
C: Vote with your feet, if your really that unhappy, you can always stop paying to play.
    The ultimate vote, it will be noticed, but the odds of it changing anything  are slim.
    And even if it does ultimately change things, you won't be here to see it happen.

Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.

I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it.  That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case.  My bad.

Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.

Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.

Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.

Yes I am a grumpy ol fart, and yes I can be a real SOB to live with, ask my wife.  

I believe from the sentence marked in red.

I understand what Ghosth is saying, but when English is not your first language, some text can be interpreted differently, as you should know.

Fred

[BrownBaron]

Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence, because of their lack of understanding, of the English language?  Easy for you to say "take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence". You apparently only speak English. I speak a few languages and English is by far one of the most difficult to master.

Oh yea, sounds exactly like ghost, always holdin a knife to someones throat. I hear he burns puppies after he's done clubbing seal pups.

ghost is not your typical AH community member. He is actually a friendly guy, and contributes positively to said community. I have a hard time believing this was a threat. More of a warning that such  attacks would warrant fierce retaliations from others.

[uptown]

O come on   The statement "the gloves come off", does not mean he start boxing ears literally. It's a figure of speech. Don't blow things out of proportion.

Vulgar, I'm in need of a good vacation. Where do you live? I thought maybe you could send me a bus ticket, we'd go a few rounds out in your back yard, then throw back several foofoo drinks while hot chicks fan us while we lay in hammocks by the beach. This offer only applys if you live somewhere nice. Preferably by the ocean. If you live in the midwest, well then forget it. Oh and I won't go to the Gulf now either.
I'll just pretend I'm a MMA fighter going to a big match. It shouldn't be too much of a stretch, as I pretend I'm a fighter pilot now as it is. 

[Hawk55]

Which part of this was not clear? (to whining ---> to whine)

"Tralfaz, Delirium,

If so, then ?

Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?

Or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"





 

I know your english isn't good LuLu, but you lost me after 'Tral & Del' !

[kilo2]

I don't think you understand lulu.

No matter how many words you throw on the page, it will change nothing.

Hitech made a change, now he will sit back, and wait for the complaining and whining to stop, and watch the effects of that change. He is not going to react quickly, he is not going to change it back because "some" of his customers did not like the effect. He will take the long view, we are talking months here not weeks.

He will be patient and watch. If the change accomplishes what he was after, then it will stay.
If it falls short, he may make changes, "tweaks" to the changes, OR he may try something else as a complimenting factor. 

We have basically 3 choices to make any time HT makes a sweeping change like this.

A: learn to deal with the new settings, up our game and accept it. (learn a different way to do same thing)
B: Complain or whine a lot, and be frustrated when nothing changes again. (Stuck doing it the old way)
C: Vote with your feet, if your really that unhappy, you can always stop paying to play.
    The ultimate vote, it will be noticed, but the odds of it changing anything  are slim.
    And even if it does ultimately change things, you won't be here to see it happen.

Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.

I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it.  That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case.  My bad.

Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.

Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.

Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.

Yes I am a grumpy ol fart, and yes I can be a real SOB to live with, ask my wife. 

Internet strongman. What are you going to do really? When these figurative gloves come off what happens you write another seething comment on the board. OH NO. Its a general discussion board thats whats happening a discussion.

[bj229r]

Back to the topic--- 65 feet. Is that, 65 feet above sea level, or 65 feet above the terrain you're currently overflying? If it's the latter, staying under dar should be quite fun and challenging, I would think. Formation bombers would be out of the question tho.

I remember years back, when folks would make a mission, it wasn't 18 guys taking off, flying 25 miles in a straight line and blasting the crap out of a town. They had tracks, waypoints, expected altitudes at each waypoint....etc, Your precious noe missions can still be run overland, but the mission planner has to look at the terrain (to that end, would be nice if the maps had more topographical features) and plan the route accordingly, so as to not fly over mountain tops, sheer cliffs, etc

[Masherbrum]

Excellent post Ghosth.   

[Delirium]

Whoa, put away the baseball bats everyone...

I have no problem with Lulu, or most people within AH. I had apologized to Lulu earlier for reading his post and taking it to be offensive in nature, I realized later this was due to a language barrier. No one has to get their dander up, nor do we have to do anything but discuss this politely.

That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet.

I may not agree with some of the game-play within AH, but it is pretty obvious some guys like taking bases and killing buildings. Frankly, I'd rather castrate myself with a low voltage electric hedge trimmer than take bases, but to each their own.

[RufusLeaking]

I get too easily burned out if I stick strictly to one thing. That is the genius of this game for me. I don't have to be stuck in one category.

Excellent point.  Eventually, NOE guys get bored and try something else. 

A brief visit to the OP: How tall are tress, barns, windmills, etc?  What is a reference to 65’ AGL?  When over land, the altimeter is still reading ASL, and therefore useless.

There is no fun in clubbing baby seals.

They are not baby seals.  Maybe two weekers who are giving it a try.  Maybe guys with old PCs or bad internet connections.  Maybe kids seeking something past the mass market game deck world.

Demeaning people as “baby seals” is arrogant.  One shouldn’t mistake arrogance for confidence or competence.

Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
 

AH Trainers are to be given deference in the Training Arena.  In the General Discussion board, their opinions are as open to criticism as any others.

That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet.

I may not agree with some of the game-play within AH, but it is pretty obvious some guys like taking bases and killing buildings. Frankly, I'd rather castrate myself with a low voltage electric hedge trimmer than take bases, but to each their own.

A very reasonable (and disturbingly graphic) post.

[Vulgar]

You got it right BMWGS! Things do get interpreted differently. Simple common everyday sayings are not easily interpreted into other languages, nor properly understood when interpreted. When ever I am using different languages, I have to remember to not offend, since what is offensive in one language, is not offensive but funny in another. I am proficient at being Vulgar in more than one language. I have been slapped by beautiful women from numerous Latin American countries more than once! Do try to be understanding with people who do not speak English as their first language. Americans are generally viewed as ignorant and arrogant all over the world, feeding fuel to that flame does no one any good. Remember the AH office is not to far from the border, they might get a NOE attack!

Uptown - I live in San Carlos Sonora Mexico - Yes it is on the beach! I am in Tucson Az right now, when I play AH I am in the states. Health and the stupid US Gov. policy has caused me to return for awhile, no I am not a convict! US policy killed off my and everyone else's business that depends on trade. When I am in San Carlos I do not play AH. To many fun things to do that are legal, unlike in the US. Yes having fun is not a punishable offense!

OK back to the thread!

65 feet is to low, even for experienced players it is difficult to not pop up over 65 feet.

Dar rings need to be decreased. I can fly a heavy p38 or anything else for that matter nearly all the way to a base at any altitude and avoid any interception. Because MY bases dar ring nearly reaches or reaches the base I want to attack. So I can see where the enemy is and avoid them by going around or over or under, and hit their base with no interference. The larger dar ring is actually helping me avoid interception! Also helps me return to base and land those kills without a sweat. NO skill what so ever, auto pilot until a dot shows up, make slight avoidance adjustment and back on auto. NO FEAR of getting caught with your pants down!

Come on, if we all wanted it that way, we would all be in the DA or WW1 arena. The ww1 arena is so popular that 80% of the time no one is in there. Most I have seen in the past 2 weeks was 11.  Yea lets just make all the arenas with full dar, and 3 bases, we do not need all those other bases and strats. Lets completely eliminate what few choices we have left. We have practically no reason to hit strats any more, after people crying I do not like it when there is only 25% fuel at such and such base, or there is no dar bar or dar at all, help me mommy i'm afraid of the dark, I can't find my self. What ever happened to the strategic side of things?  Oh I suppose a more involved thought process of achieving a player induced balance by utilizing strategic planing and implementation is to much for the average player to comprehend.

Like has been stated by some. Changes will have to be dealt with and you will have to change the way you play. Why is the change going to the side of doing less? War is all about catching the other guy with his pants down. Staying alive is about not getting caught with your pants down. Why people say bases getting rolled is bad and there are no fights does not make sense. When bases get rolled, you have less bases, which forces you to consolidate your forces, since your choice of bases is limited. This causes the fighting to be more condensed. OH yea, but then there are to many enemies.  But I though you guys said there was no fighting????

It sounds to me like a lot of people only want other people to play the way they want them to play, rather than dealing with the diversity of attempting to pin the other guy down. They want someone to hold them so they can hit them! The reason they want total dar coverage and no sneaky NOE!

A good example of how things seem to go from what is posted in the forums can be verified by what has happened with the ww1 arena. Correct me if I am wrong, I am away for some extended times. But I recall a vote for a ww1 arena or a korea arena, or was it something else? But anyways the ww1 arena won. Where are all these people that voted for a ww1 arena? The most I have seen in there at one time has been 11. Looks to me like the same thing is happening in this case about the dar.

No matter what is decided upon and implemented, someone is going to dislike it. NO matter what, the masses will never come to an agreement about how the arena's should be set up. The best solution is setup multiple arenas and let the numbers decide. Currently there is 2 identical main arenas. Why not set up one with total strat and holes in the dar, and one with total dar coverage and no strat. Let the numbers decide, these arguments are going no where, the recent ww1 addition has proven that.

I personally would like to see an arena with more emphasis on strats and less on dar. I prefer doing jabo, and once in awhile furballing, not much into the big bombers, though a great integral part of it all. I miss the map wins/loses/changes, they used to be fairly often, now a map lasts till titanic Tuesday. Perhaps cutting back the earned perk points for downed aircraft substantially and giving lots of perks for wining a map. Would force players to work together to get those perks. Currently the perk structure supports furballing and penalizes for base taking. Which brings up the question, why are so many people really against base taking, and why do so many want to take bases, if there are no perks for it?

Vulgar

[HawkerMKII]

OK back to the thread!

65 feet is to low, even for experienced players it is difficult to not pop up over 65 feet.

Dar rings need to be decreased. I can fly a heavy p38 or anything else for that matter nearly all the way to a base at any altitude and avoid any interception. Because MY bases dar ring nearly reaches or reaches the base I want to attack. So I can see where the enemy is and avoid them by going around or over or under, and hit their base with no interference. The larger dar ring is actually helping me avoid interception! Also helps me return to base and land those kills without a sweat. NO skill what so ever, auto pilot until a dot shows up, make slight avoidance adjustment and back on auto. NO FEAR of getting caught with your pants down!

Come on, if we all wanted it that way, we would all be in the DA or WW1 arena. The ww1 arena is so popular that 80% of the time no one is in there. Most I have seen in the past 2 weeks was 11.  Yea lets just make all the arenas with full dar, and 3 bases, we do not need all those other bases and strats. Lets completely eliminate what few choices we have left. We have practically no reason to hit strats any more, after people crying I do not like it when there is only 25% fuel at such and such base, or there is no dar bar or dar at all, help me mommy i'm afraid of the dark, I can't find my self. What ever happened to the strategic side of things?  Oh I suppose a more involved thought process of achieving a player induced balance by utilizing strategic planing and implementation is to much for the average player to comprehend.

Like has been stated by some. Changes will have to be dealt with and you will have to change the way you play. Why is the change going to the side of doing less? War is all about catching the other guy with his pants down. Staying alive is about not getting caught with your pants down. Why people say bases getting rolled is bad and there are no fights does not make sense. When bases get rolled, you have less bases, which forces you to consolidate your forces, since your choice of bases is limited. This causes the fighting to be more condensed. OH yea, but then there are to many enemies.  But I though you guys said there was no fighting????

It sounds to me like a lot of people only want other people to play the way they want them to play, rather than dealing with the diversity of attempting to pin the other guy down. They want someone to hold them so they can hit them! The reason they want total dar coverage and no sneaky NOE!

A good example of how things seem to go from what is posted in the forums can be verified by what has happened with the ww1 arena. Correct me if I am wrong, I am away for some extended times. But I recall a vote for a ww1 arena or a korea arena, or was it something else? But anyways the ww1 arena won. Where are all these people that voted for a ww1 arena? The most I have seen in there at one time has been 11. Looks to me like the same thing is happening in this case about the dar.

No matter what is decided upon and implemented, someone is going to dislike it. NO matter what, the masses will never come to an agreement about how the arena's should be set up. The best solution is setup multiple arenas and let the numbers decide. Currently there is 2 identical main arenas. Why not set up one with total strat and holes in the dar, and one with total dar coverage and no strat. Let the numbers decide, these arguments are going no where, the recent ww1 addition has proven that.

I personally would like to see an arena with more emphasis on strats and less on dar. I prefer doing jabo, and once in awhile furballing, not much into the big bombers, though a great integral part of it all. I miss the map wins/loses/changes, they used to be fairly often, now a map lasts till titanic Tuesday. Perhaps cutting back the earned perk points for downed aircraft substantially and giving lots of perks for wining a map. Would force players to work together to get those perks. Currently the perk structure supports furballing and penalizes for base taking. Which brings up the question, why are so many people really against base taking, and why do so many want to take bases, if there are no perks for it?

Vulgar

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[Bear76]

Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence, because of their lack of understanding, of the English language?  Easy for you to say "take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence". You apparently only speak English. I speak a few languages and English is by far one of the most difficult to master.

I am sure that Lulu's inadvertent "disrespect" was entirely due to a language barrier. Even though you allude to his lack of command of the English language. You still, intentionally made a threat to his well being.

This kind of threat by an "Aces High Trainer", is of the lowest kind of behavior. Time and time again, every time anyone uses language other than English in the game. They are immediately verbally attacked and bullied. Apparently this kind of behavior is something you teach your students. Your threat clearly states your intentions, when it comes to someone that does not speak English.

If attacking people verbally, and threatening violence, is standard practice, and encouraged by Aces High - HiTechCreations. Then is should be clearly stated on the home page of the website, that only English speaking customers are wanted. It should also state that anyone using any language other than English, or anyone that uses English improperly. Will be immediately verbally attacked, and will also be threatened, with bodily harm.

Your position as a "Aces High Trainer" apparently gives you the authority and or right to threaten people with bodily harm. Well mister, if you have the cajones. I will send you the money for a bus ticket. You can come over to my house at your convenience, and I will take the gloves off with you. That is not a threat. That is a challenge, I am sure you will not take up. Because you are obviously just a bully who is accustomed to beating up on smaller people than your self.

Lulu's is at a distinct disadvantage concerning the use of the English language. So why do you not take on someone who can defend them-self. I will be happy to overnight a bus ticket as soon as you accept my challenge.

Vulgar

Are you serious? Violence? Where did you read that?  The "gloves come off" means no more nice guy. Geez . Work on your comprehension.

[FALCONWING]

well said vulgar!

The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:

1.  Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2.  HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3.  While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear).  Specifically NOE raids.  Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets...  etc etc

You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support  (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA)  You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action.  Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc.  The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs.  If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them.   So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"???  That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so.  

This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case

[sky25]

well said vulgar!

The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:

1.  Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2.  HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3.  While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear).  Specifically NOE raids.  Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets...  etc etc

You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support  (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA)  You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action.  Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc.  The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs.  If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them.   So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"???  That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so.  

Tis IS HTC's world and I am thankfulto have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case

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