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Offline GlassJaw

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Brewster
« on: July 11, 2010, 04:06:37 PM »
Can we have the CV version?

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2010, 04:39:11 PM »
To the best of my knowledge even though the USN had Buffalo's on board it's CV's on December 7th 1941 they never flew combat missions from the carrier and were soon exchanged for F4F-3's on account of high rate of landing gear failure during CV operations.  

VF-2 was on the Lexington on Dec 7th with Buffalo's, The Saratoga had a compliment of VMF-211 with F2A-3's on their way to Wake Island. After the attack the Saratoga was redirected to Midway where it unloaded the F2A-3's on December 25th .  On January 3rd VF-2's F2A-3's go back to Hawaii , on the 27th they are transferred to VMF-211 and VF-2 is reequipped with F4F's.   (According to Dean - America's Hundred Thousand)

F2A-3's did see limited combat with the marines, the most famous being the defense of Midway, but as near as I can figure other than daily operations never participated in combat on board a carrier for the USN, there's probably more info in The First Team by John B. Lundstrom who does a pretty good job about detailing the Navy's involvement during the first year of the war.  But it's been a long time since I read it.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 06:25:40 PM »
Can we have the CV version?
Are you sure? It wouldn't perform anything like the B-239 we have in AH now, and what Soulyss said.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2010, 07:42:53 PM »
I'm not trying to say I'm any kind of aircraft expert.  I pulled the below off of wiki, and we all know wiki is never wrong ;-)

The F2A2 (model B339, 43 built) had a 1200hp motor, weighed 5942 lbs toped out at 323 mph and climbed at 2500ft/min
This one was the navy version and probably the best of the group, there was a later version but it really got bogged down with added weight.

The B239 (export version to Finlind, 44 built)... made 950 hp, topped out at 297 mph and weighted 5820 lbs.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2010, 07:55:07 PM »
Here GlassJaw...have some fun.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm

Facts and figures...not complete, much better than wiki.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2010, 10:26:03 PM »
I think I read somewhere that the aircraft with the highest kill:death ratio was the F2A Buffalo flown by the Finns (11:1 ratio). I could be wrong, I don't have the best memory.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 12:01:03 AM »
I think I read somewhere that the aircraft with the highest kill:death ratio was the F2A Buffalo flown by the Finns (11:1 ratio). I could be wrong, I don't have the best memory.
Yup, a bit higher and at least a version of it. Export B-239 but it wasn't the one the OP is looking for.

List of victories by Finn Brewster pilots:
http://www.warbirdforum.com/scores.htm
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 06:11:49 AM »
Yup, a bit higher and at least a version of it. Export B-239 but it wasn't the one the OP is looking for.

List of victories by Finn Brewster pilots:
http://www.warbirdforum.com/scores.htm
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 06:27:44 AM »
Yup, a bit higher and at least a version of it. Export B-239 but it wasn't the one the OP is looking for.

List of victories by Finn Brewster pilots:
http://www.warbirdforum.com/scores.htm
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In service during 1941-1945, the Brewsters were credited with 496 Soviet and German aircraft destroyed, against the loss of 19 Brewsters: a victory ratio of 26:1. However, the substantiation of this claim on German and Soviet records is so far incomplete, and all claims have not been managed to be connected on actual losses (as of 2007).
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 06:30:20 AM »
a continuation of the Finn's B-239s from said site above... it's amazing what veterancy can do. For a note, the Russian Airforce in 1941 was outdated and the Brewster was better. but the fact that the Finns still achieved 35 victories against the Russians in the Summer of 1944 is astonishing due to the fact that the Finns only lost NINETEEN between the years of 1491 and 1944! :confused: :uhoh :bolt:
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Most of the pilots of Lentolaivue 24 were Winter War combat veterans and the squadron achieved total of 459 kills with B-239s, while losing 15 Brewsters in combat. For example, between 25 June 1941 and 31 December 1941, LeLv 24 scored 135 kills with Brewsters at a cost of two pilots and two Brewster Buffalos. The top-scoring Buffalo pilot was Hans Wind, with 39 kills in B-239s. Wind scored 26 of his kills while flying BW-393 and Eino Luukkanen scored seven more kills with the same aircraft. After evaluation of kills claimed on Soviet actual losses, BW-364 is credited with 42½ kills in total, possibly making it the fighter aircraft with the greatest number of victories in the history of air warfare. BW-393 is credited with 40 victories. The top scoring Finnish ace, Ilmari Juutilainen, scored 34 of his 94 and one-half kills while flying B-239s, including 28 kills with BW-364. Although the Buffalo was clearly obsolete in 1944, barely holding its own against Soviet fighters, with most airframes worn out, LeLv 26 pilots still scored some 35 victories against the Soviets in the summer of 1944.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2010, 10:23:56 AM »
The F2A2 (model B339, 43 built) had a 1200hp motor, weighed 5942 lbs toped out at 323 mph and climbed at 2500ft/min
This one was the navy version and probably the best of the group, there was a later version but it really got bogged down with added weight.

Too bad this one didn't see combat. Which right away invalidates it for addition.

You'd be stuck with the F2A-3, which was bogged down with added weight.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 03:57:49 PM »
I think I read somewhere that the aircraft with the highest kill:death ratio was the F2A Buffalo flown by the Finns (11:1 ratio). I could be wrong, I don't have the best memory.

I believe the F6-F had a 19:1 ratio.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2010, 04:30:24 PM »
The often mentioned exchange ratio for FiAF Brewsters was 26:1. In Squadron Nr.24 service, the ratio was 32:1 based on the official record.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2010, 04:49:39 PM »
The often mentioned exchange ratio for FiAF Brewsters was 26:1. In Squadron Nr.24 service, the ratio was 32:1 based on the official record.
I believe the F6-F had a 19:1 ratio.
I think I read somewhere that the aircraft with the highest kill:death ratio was the F2A Buffalo flown by the Finns (11:1 ratio). I could be wrong, I don't have the best memory.
read above where i quoted the website
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