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Offline daddog

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Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« on: July 17, 2010, 10:37:15 AM »
With only one cup of coffee in my stomach I finished crunching the numbers. :) Off to breakfast!

Targets of Opportunity
Frame 1 Score

Allies

Destroyed 4 Hangers – 60 points
Defended 6 Hangers – 90 points
Sunk 2 Destroyers  - 40 points
Destroyed 0 train cars – 0 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 54 109G2 – 270 points
Shot down 10 109G6 – 50 points
Shot down 4 Me110 – 32 points
Shot down 1 Fw190 – 5 points
Shot down 41 Ju88 – 615 points
Total Allied = 1162

Axis
Destroyed 9 Hangers – 135 points
Defended 15 Hangers – 225 points
Sunk 0 Destroyers – 0 points
Destroyed 7 train cars – 7 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 2 Bostons – 20 points
Shot down 12 Hurr IIC – 60 points
Shot down 4 Mosquito's – 32 points
Shot down 11 Spit IX's – 55 points
Shot down 78 Spit V's – 390 points
Shot down 5 P-47's – 25 points
Total Axis = 949

The loss of all those Ju88's it what did it for the Axis this time.
If they had lost only 1/2 of the Ju88's it would have been just about a tie score.

Targets of Opportunity
Frame 2 Score


Allies
Destroyed 15 Hangers – 225 points
Defended 10 Hangers – 150 points
Sunk 4 Destroyers – 80 points
Destroyed 0 train cars – 0 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 63 Me109's – 315 points
Shot down 23 Fw190's – 115 points
Shot down 22 Me110's – 176 points
Shot down 4 Ju87's – 32 points
Shot down 46 Ju88's – 690 points
Total Allied = 1783

Axis
Destroyed 8 Hangers – 120 points
Defended 9 Hangers – 135 points
Sunk 0 Destroyers – 0 points
Destroyed 0 train cars – 0 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 62 Spit V's – 310 points
Shot down 18 Spit IX - 90 points
Shot down 9 P-47's – 45 points
Shot down 9 Hurr's – 45 points
Shot down 13 Mossies – 104 points
Shot down 21 Bostons – 210 points
Shot down 15 Lancasters – 300 points
Total Axis = 1359

Targets of Opportunity
Frame 3 Score

Allies

Destroyed 4 Hangers – 60 points
Defended 9 Hangers – 135 points
Sunk 4 Destroyers – 80 points
Destroyed 0 train cars – 0 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 102 Me109G2's – 510 points
Shot down 11 109G6's – 55 points
Shot down 6 Fw190's –  30 points
Shot down 4 Me110's – 32 points
Shot down 9 Ju87's – 72 points
Shot down 24 Ju88's – 360 points

Minus 100 points for going over the limit of restricted AC.
Total Allied = 1234

Axis
Destroyed 1 Hanger – 15 points
Defended 3 Hangers – 45 points
Sunk 0 Destroyers – 0 points
Destroyed 0 train cars – 0 points
Destroyed 0 trucks – 0 points
Shot down 31 Spit V's –  155 points
Shot down 17 Spit IX – 85 points
Shot down 1 P-47's –  5 points
Shot down 6 Hurr's – 30 points
Shot down 8 Mossies –  64 points

Total Axis = 399

Hope you guys enjoyed it. If not Ghostdancer will have his FSO up soon. :)




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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2010, 10:57:32 AM »
Good Morning Daddog,

What airplanes did the allies go over with? I was very careful not to overuse them in the orders.

I just checked the logs and this is what I come up with:

Hurri IIc  20 allowed - 13 upped
Mossie    20 allowed - 18 upped
Spit IX    31 allowed - 27 upped
P47D11   11 allowed - 11 upped

I dont see where I went over?

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« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 11:07:34 AM by Edgar »
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2010, 01:31:36 PM »
I should have been more specific Edgar. Was not your orders at all sir. You did fine. :)

Someone took 'one' too many Spit IX's. Heck, might not have even been the squad that were assigned the Spit IX's.
Logs say 32 Spit IX's were used. Without my checking each sortie, (which I will not do) it might have been something as simple as someone rolling a Spit IX and then landing again realizing their mistake.

Simple error that cost the Allies some points, but certainly not the frame. :)
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 01:33:13 PM »
# of Hurricane Mk IIC used    13
# of Mosquito Mk VI used 17
# of P-47D-11 used 10
# of Spitfire Mk IX used 32
# of Spitfire Mk V used 122
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 02:30:30 PM »
# of Hurricane Mk IIC used    13
# of Mosquito Mk VI used 17
# of P-47D-11 used 10
# of Spitfire Mk IX used 32
# of Spitfire Mk V used 122
One question,
If a player upped in a Spit IX, was shot down, upped another Spit IX and then turned around and landed, that would have been enough to push me over correct?

Oh well, the best laid plans...

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« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 02:49:47 PM by Edgar »
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 03:05:24 PM »
Wow,  Kinda lopsided score wise it seems.   Allied total: 4179    Axis total:2707

I guess the allied pilots are just that much better and as an axis pilot I suck.   Awesome.
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 09:42:59 PM »
No Zoney the AXIS side did very well in every engagement I fought in and I was on the ALLIED side (325th VFG).

A few things I see from the scores:

  The AXIS side used a lot of bombers (maybe they had to) which inturn exposed them to heavy loss's of points.  I know the ALLIED side hardly used any (within the rules) thus preventing us from losing big points.  This was expressed in our orders.

  The DD's had the highest point values and the AXIS side didn't sink many.  Perhaps "positions" played a part in that.  I know the ALLIED side orders sent in scouts and heavy strike packages to get them in every frame.  And we did our best to protect ours within the scope of the special rules.

  Perked planes - I know on the ALLIED side all three of the CIC's were very careful to only use a equal portion in every frame thus ensuring there would be perked planes in good numbers for every frame.  And the ALLIED CO's and CIC's followed up with many buffer messages to get those planes landed and towered after their missions to save them.  Going into Frame 3 from the setup it looked to me that the AXIS side had taken heavy loss's in their perked planes in frames 1 and 2.  That in turn would have put some fights at a "slight" disadvantage in frame 3.  Or created "range to fuel" issues for the deeper targets.

  All points aside the AXIS side did very well in the fights and strike packages the 325th VFG had to deal with and <S> to you all.  Excellent FSO and scenario overall and I would enjoy a rematch at any time even if we switched sides.

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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 12:22:55 PM »
I think the Axis COs for frame 2 and 3 might have been on their first outings as CIC?

The choices of strike aircraft for both sides were probably not super survival types either:

Ju88,vs Lancaster.
Boston vs 110c4
Ju87 vs Mosquito

If you're trying to get survival rates up from the primary strike, so you can make a secondary strike on the ships, there may be obvious choices not to make.  Maybe some hard ones to make as well?

The low value of the primary targets might have eluded the planning processes on the Axis side.  I can't remember much in any of the orders, I saw, about striking the secondary targets.  There was some in frame one but I don't recall any actual hard planning for such strikes from later frames.  Maybe I was inattentive.

If there was no plan to survive and muster forces so as to strike the higher value targets later, then there was going to be quite a gap in scores if the other side did.  Did the Allied side plan to strike the ships in the first wave?  I didn't see that in any set of Axis orders, except my squad was to strike ships with spare ord on the run home from primary target in the first frame.  We weren't able to muster enough survivors to have much of an impact as it turned out.

Good scenario this one was.  Lots of choices and perhaps a chance to do some planning rather than just drop numbers in slots.  Almost makes me wish I hadn't given up planning.  The more I think about the permutations of this last FSO the more I appreciate it.  Top design job!

Question?  When a trio rearms and the drones go poof, do they just disappear on the logs? 
I get really really tired of selective realism disguised as a desire to make bombers easier to kill.

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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 11:00:21 PM »
goodness, frame 3 was lopsided

this FSO was lots of fun, for the two frames i was in. got a couple kills, and had a blast with the 353rd, as always :salute
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 02:28:20 PM »
  I do know in frame 3 we flew around in our area waiting for the fighter sweep in 15-10 that never came from the allies for an hour and then flew over to their radar where it seems thats exactly what they were waiting for. I made it home with a pilot wound and 1 other managed to land.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2010, 03:40:50 PM »
Both flights headed to that sector were jumped coming over the water by Axis forces heading northwest.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2010, 04:30:48 PM »
 Kinda figg'ed it was something like that.
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Re: Targets of Opportunity Final Scores
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2010, 09:23:25 AM »
Thanks Dantoo.
Yes I think they just disappear. Don't recall seeing them on the logs. I would have to double check by looking back at a time I was landing drones. Might have to go back a LONG time. :)

We defended A3 for an hour. The attack never came.  :(
I think they (the attack group) were hit before they got to A3. Finally we went out over the channel looking for a fight.
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