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Frosty1

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« on: January 07, 2001, 04:49:00 PM »
"Okay, how much $$ are they going for today, and how much memory? Is it worth replacing my TNT2 Ultra?"

You posted that in Wobble's thread. Welp, I felt this would be the best way to get your attention.  

I would suggest to you a Geforce 2. I just bought mine for $173 with SHIPPING INCLUDED! Awesome price. Its cheaper than the Voodoo5's and its much faster with all the same technologies (FSAA, T&L). I got the Leadtek Winfast Geforce 2 with 32MB DDR ram and TV out. I got it from Newegg.com

Ah crap...just realized they're out of stock. Its the same price though with free shipping. Maybe when some more come in you can jump on the band wagon.  

Good luck



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TheWobble

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2001, 05:40:00 PM »
Geforce's FSAA is very poor compared to the V5's.  If you want super high resolution and no fsaa, go with the Ge-Force, if you want to take adavantage of FSAA (advisable) Go with the V5.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2001, 06:59:00 PM »
Voodoo 5's FSAA is actually better looking compared to the Geforce 2 version, but the Geforce 2 drivers are progressing. Should be on par with 3dfx sometime I would say. And the V5 is a bit slow to do FSAA without a fairly fast CPU.

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TheWobble

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2001, 09:30:00 PM »
you may  be right, but i would verture to guess that FSAA is a hardwired, thing that coulb have at best minimal improvment VIA drivers.  Pluss I would buy a Ge-Force under the assumption that some wonderous driver upgrade is gonna make all its shortcomings go away..I wouldent buy anything with that assumption.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »
Thanks for the info, Frosty, is that Geforce 2 a 32 meg. card?

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2001, 09:24:00 AM »
Well, I tried both the GeForce2-GTS and the Voodoo5500 on my PIII-800 (256MByte RAM).

Voodoo5500 FSAA is very nice but slows down AcesHigh too much, IMHO, even at 1024x768. Moreover, I get some strange graphic effects.

Even with FSAA off, the GeForce2 is much faster, you can really feel the difference at 1280x1024 (32 bit). Especially when theres smoke and tracers around. The GeForce is a speed monster and very stable. When you find the right drivers, that is  

Rip, the GeForce2 GTS has 32 or 64 MByte of memory. There is also a GeForce2-Ultra but I heard it has some problems (rolling lines, blurry graphics ...).
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2001, 11:21:00 AM »
Great info, guys, thks!

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2001, 01:58:00 PM »
I've had the opposite issue with stability.  I have had zero.. none, no problems with my V5.  I find the GeForce guys having to rollback DX8 or look for older or newer drivers, etc. etc. etc.  I just install the latest V5 drivers and keep on trucking.

Also, the GeForce cards will NEVER have the same quality of FSAA as the V5 can produce.  The method they use is markedly inferior.  Even their "2x2" level (what they call 4x) of FSAA is markedly inferior to the V5 version.  Basically, the way nVidia does FSAA they only really do the FSAA on the vertical lines, where the horizontal ones still look like crap.  There are a LOT of horizontal lines in a WWII flight sim.  The winglines of planes being the most obvious.  Take a look at this picture:  http://www.dogfighter.com/images/reviews/aceshigh/010108/ah6.jpg

Look at the vertical surface edge of the rudder, and then at the horizontal stabilizer edges.  Look at the horizontal versus the vertical edges of the bay doors.  Jagged crawly garbage.  I could tell in a glance at the first picture on the page that those shots were from a GeForce using FSAA.  On a V5, the horizontal lines are as smoothed as the vertical ones.  It is even more noticeable in a game like AH where you spend a lot of time (hopefully) looking at the horizontal surfaces (wings and tail plane) of enemy planes.  Those horizontal anomalies and crawlies are the issue for me, and they don't get smoothed properly with the GeForce under their crappy FSAA scheme.

I've put the two of them side by side and I'll take the V5 every time.  If nVidia ever comes up with a decent FSAA implementation, I'd get a GeForce 2, but their current implemntation is crap IMHO.  I have an Athlon 700 and a V5 that I play 1024x768 32 bit and I get 30-45 fps pretty steady.  That's plenty for me.  I can get higher or lower in the odd situation like flying through smoke, but I almost never see any kind of a frame drop that hurts my gameplay.

I hope nVidia takes 3DFX's FSAA technology and builds it into their next line of cards.  Give me a card that will do 1024x768 32 bit color with a REAL 4x FSAA implementation at 60 fps and I will pay big dollars for it.  Until then I feel the V5 is the best for me personally.

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2001, 02:15:00 PM »
Rip, yes sir it's a 32MB card. It's a good price for the money and the 32MB should hold out pretty well for a good while IMO.

Lephturn, you're right, but I honestly think that FSAA is too early to be a major factor. When we have FSAA on cards with a fillrate that will support it with a decent speed at say 1280x1024 then it would be an improvement. It's really a matter of opinion. You'll get more depth in textures at a greater distance in high rez, but you'll still see small jaggies. With 3dfx FSAA the jaggies will be gone at 1024x768 but the depth of textures won't be as detailed (less pixels displayed) and your speed will be dropped drastically on even the fastest processors. Anyway, I'm dragging this out, time for me to get some food.  

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