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Offline Shifty

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2010, 01:50:17 PM »
It's too bad Shifty that you can not tell the difference between B's and E's but then anything to kiss up will suffice I guess, I see you have changed squads, problems in VF-17 land???
Check the logs, for the frame 1 in Too little too late you were in an A6M2 and you got shot down by a P-40B and complained then too. What's really too bad is you cannot enjoy this sim and have start every post FSO Saturday with a rant. Just who am I kissing up to by pointing out your constant invalid pointless complaints? Now go back to your whine celler and load up for next Saturday BigKim.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2010, 01:56:35 PM »
Boxboy, if you don't want to get pigpiled, tell the frame CiCs not to commit the bulk of their force to offense. Happens in every FSO. Look at the logs and you will see where the P-40s (both models) had no trouble knocking out the Jap CV defenders in frame 1 and it wasn't just because of the numbers. The P-40s can boom and zoom the Zekes all day long if the people flying them know how to handle them. The only ones that got shot down were the ones trying to turn fight.
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2010, 03:43:03 PM »
  I had a good time lastnight. I guess one guys good fso is another's lousy one. Probably best to try to appease both sides best ya can and leave it up to each squad if they want to fly that fso or not ahead of time.

  I actually got 2 kills making 2 strafing runs on the cv after I had dropped...musta been the awesome flying skills in the sbd :P

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2010, 04:06:37 PM »
 Nice frame. I think there were about 10 of us covering CV 71 so it was a job indeed. The cv started flashing as we hit the long end of our patrol and we ran back to it as fast as we could but it had already been hit.We mopped up what we could and waited to see if there was going to be a 2nd trip. Major boredom for the most part but I also like this kind of FSO despite that aspect of it.
  Nice work,
 Boxboy,you sure you arent Krusty? Smells like the same tired whine about all the FSO's :neener:
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2010, 06:52:57 PM »
Check the logs, for the frame 1 in Too little too late you were in an A6M2 and you got shot down by a P-40B and complained then too. What's really too bad is you cannot enjoy this sim and have start every post FSO Saturday with a rant. Just who am I kissing up to by pointing out your constant invalid pointless complaints? Now go back to your whine celler and load up for next Saturday BigKim.  :rolleyes:

What a load of horse goo, You just love to paint things the way YOU see them and then go on to justify some rant, lol if thats the best you got I guess I can laugh it off and consider the source.  If my complaints are soooo invalid why bother posting about them, the facts are that you just got a personal problem and use every opportunity to "take a shot" so blow it out your steam vent :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2010, 07:55:59 PM »
I see you have changed squads, problems in VF-17 land??? 

Nope, as a matter of fact I would say we lost an asset and all on the best of terms.


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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2010, 08:24:02 PM »
What a load of horse goo, You just love to paint things the way YOU see them and then go on to justify some rant, lol if thats the best you got I guess I can laugh it off and consider the source.  If my complaints are soooo invalid why bother posting about them, the facts are that you just got a personal problem and use every opportunity to "take a shot" so blow it out your steam vent :rofl :rofl :rofl

The quotes are in this forum and the results are in the logs on ahevents.org. If there's horse goo you're wearing it.

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2010, 09:21:04 PM »
The quotes are in this forum and the results are in the logs on ahevents.org. If there's horse goo you're wearing it.

Well I am sure you are right so here's a cookie :rofl :rofl If looking up logs and all just to make me look bad makes your day so be it, cause personally where your concerned I couldn't less and you know it.  The Horse Goo is your opinion about what I post and what it means, like your some kind of authority about what I think.  I will probably never like being "pigpiled" and any time you want to show me how great the P-40B is 1 v 1 vs the zero let me know.
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2010, 09:26:25 PM »
I will probably never like being "pigpiled" and any time you want to show me how great the P-40B is 1 v 1 vs the zero let me know.

Name the time I'll be there. In fact you're on line now this is as good of time as any. :aok

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2010, 11:04:46 PM »
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Here is and was the "jist" of the complaint if I remember right: the force that is tasked with defense is minimal, the force that is allocated for offense is large. Both sides seam to employ this tactic on a regular basis just about every frame, we know its going to happen. Both sides know what needs to be hit and what need to be defended.

Now I know its been discussed before, and shot down, but the implementation of separate boards set up for planning and pass worded for the duration of that series would go a long way for more imersive game play. The CiC can pick and choose the best ideas through the week and like-minded player can contribute to a tactical plan and really lock down some solid orders for the frame. Not that frame 1's orders were not "solid", it would just be nice to have more player input.

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<S> JeffN. I don't think it was you that I noticed complaining, but not sure any more. Just was something I noticed in the text buffer during the frame.

I hear you about the player input and I realize that happens sometimes. Small force defending and they get slammed by a large force. In 'general' this does not take place because the CiC has to defend and attack all the targets. It only make sense they would try to divide up their forces relatively evenly among the targets. Most CiC's do, but sometimes it is tough. Also depending on the design some targets are worth more and consequently have more attacking or defending it.  Of course some CiC's may put in less offense or defense then others because they see things differently then we might.

Players have complained over the years that FSO is canned since both sides know what is going to be attacked and defended. I have always said that there is enough 'unknown' to still make it interesting. If you are defending a base you have no idea what will attack your base, what altitude, what direction, what time, (with in 60 minutes) and what escorts if any they will have. Those unknown's coupled with the human CiC makes FSO just about unpredictable as you can get and still guarantee some action and balanced game play.

The private forums have been tried before and no one used them. We had forums for Allied and Axis FSO. We had a few posts at first then they became a ghost town. It also adds to the work load of the Admin CM's. Ya we are only talking about 15 or 20 minutes, but I can 15 to 20 minute those guys to death pretty quick.  Having to add the Axis and Allied CO's to private forums every month would get old pretty quick when you talking about 40 or 50 guys. If your just talking about the 3 CiC's for each side it would be just as easy for a player to contact them via e-mail or PM than the CM's having to get Skuzzy to create the forums and giving us and we have to update it every month. If players want to communicate with the Allied or Axis sides they can via the e-mail contacts, or they can just contact a CiC directly via PM or e-mails on the events site.
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2010, 11:09:29 PM »
 I would much rather defend a target I KNOW is going to be attacked than have a frame where Im defending a target that MAY be attacked and fly around all night to see no action.
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2010, 11:15:49 PM »
daddog it happens regularly...2 times in the past couple FSOs (this past frame and frame 1 of the last one) AoM was tasked to defense and only had 1 more squad as help (in Frame 1 of last FSO it was just us), vs a couple squads (obviously escorts + attackers). For instance this past frame @ C72 we encountered about 15-20 SBD's and 15-20 P-40E's against our 8 or so pilots and 5 or so Damned SE pilots...in A6M2's...well guess how that worked out eh :)

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2010, 11:26:58 PM »
 Hey how did you rate more defenders than we did :furious
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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2010, 11:30:22 PM »
353rd enjoyed the night, even though we got Kates, which isn't exactly our area of expertise. Escort was top notch, ( :salute 325th) and we hit A11 the best we could. After reviewing the film, it got hairy there, but somehow we got out. Then it got even hairier when we got back home to 81 to find it under attack by SBD's. Once again our escorts threw themselves into the fight, allowing 4 of us to rearm and head back to A11 for a second strike! Not a bad feat landing and reloading on a CV in the middle of an attack.

However, the paradox came at the end. We were racing to land at 71. Literally, it was an oxymoron....racing to beat the clock in........Kates?  :huh

We made it with 5 mins to spare.

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Re: Thanks GhstDncr and Nef!
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2010, 01:38:54 AM »
The defenders at A4 were outnumbered - we were the fighter escort with 16 zeros and I'm going to guess the defense was at most 8 to 10 P40's (and mainly B's - I don't recall seeing any E's).

However they didn't help themselves by coming in small numbers - I never saw more than 4 arrive at any one time - and apart from the first four we encountered, they all seemed very low. Had all the defenders met us at once, I think it would have been a different story.

In a 1 v 1 P40 vs Zero, I'd take the Zero every time. In a multi-plane engangement with anything approaching even numbers, I'd much rather be flying the P40.