remodle p40 cockpit maybe..........

[Squire]

Did a zoom climb test with the F4F, P-40B and Hurricane IID:

7852 lbs loaded for the Hurricane (100 fuel). 1200 hp engine. Zoom from Sea Level (@ 100 feet) at 375 TAS gets you @4600 ft. Thats a vertical pullup and hang on the prop at full power.

7721 lbs loaded for the F4F (75 fuel). 1200 hp engine. Zoom climb from S.L. at 375 TAS gets you @4800 ft. Same type climb.

7831 lbs loaded for the P-40B (75 fuel). 1150 hp engine. Zoom climb from S.L. at 375 TAS gets you @4700 ft. Same type climb.

Small weight and drag differences between the three but they are in the same ballpark. You might get slightly better or worse results there is always some error depending on how the test is flown.  

So I would way there is nothing "up" with the Hurricane IID. It climbs like it should. Your test didnt look very detailed. What type of P-38? starting alt was the deck? 1000 feet? I certainly can't get 5500 feet with any of them from 100 feet at 375 TAS in a vert climb.

Don't know why you would test "zoom" climbs anyways...if you want to know how well an a/c is modelled in the climb in AH you do a sustained climb test. Zoom climbs make reading the data harder because you are inserting extra energy in the climb test and thats just going to muddy the data.

[Treize69]

Even if they don't redo the performance model, the graphics and frame on the P-40s and Hurricanes should be next up for a major overhaul. Both really showing their ages, especially next the their stablemates, the P-39s and Spits. All arguing about their performance 'issues' aside, I think we can all agree on that.

[Squire]

Absolutely I hope they do the P-40 soon. 

[Nemisis]

The deck was 500 ft, it was a P-38J, and both aircraft were carrying 25% fuel minus whatever it took to up, and climb to 6k.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Yes the old flight models and plane models need to go, i look at the c-47 and imagine how many players fly it every day, capturing bases and rearming tanks and such, not to mention the poor state of the ground troops.

To see plane models that old and highly used in such sad state,is wrong.

Would be nice to have another plane version of the p-40 added as well.

[Ack-Ack]

No need to attack me on this Ack-Ack. I never threw out case studies, but from overall reputation and from anecdotes and stories I've read, it has never been a superb zoomer, never been a clean airframe (seems to have 10mph top speed range no matter what engine you put in it), never been big on E retention so much.

Much like how the Hurricanes in this game retain E far longer than seems historically proven.


Please note I never drew the spitfire comparison. I had nothing to do with that. Ignoring that, there are issues with the P-40 flight model that I hope are revisited whenever they are remodeled.

You keep throwing this crap out yet never provide anything to back it up.  I guess we can call it your "Krusty's Theory of Advanced Aerodynamics according to Krusty".


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[Ack-Ack]

Another question I would like answered eventually, Krusty. What IS up with the hurri's? When I tested it, the IID gained about 5500 ft compared to the P-38's 6200ft, both brought up to 375mph in a dive to the deck.

LOL!  The Hurricane's energy retention is average and nowhere near the vertical or energy retention of the P-38.  Starting at a co-energy/co-alt state the P-38 can easily out zoom a Hurricane.

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[Ack-Ack]

Stretching things there, but I admit I don't know much about how they preformed IRL. Care to explain why spits can zoom with a heavier plane (and dive with one, never got that either)?

In a nutshell, the Spitfire not only has excellent energy generating capabilities it also has excellent energy retention.

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LOL!  The Hurricane's energy retention is average and nowhere near the vertical or energy retention of the P-38.  Starting at a co-energy/co-alt state the P-38 can easily out zoom a Hurricane.

ack-ack

as you know I flew the hurri almost exclusively for years, and you are dead on, no friggin way can the hurri climb with the 38.....well unless the hurri dropped down from 15K feet, and found a 38 climbing up, then and only then will the Hurri climb with it, but that goes for any plane, I never understood why people say the hurri is over modeled, as far as I ever read the hurri was a very stable, yet slow, and a better handling plane than its cousin the spit, in real life,
 I have read many pilots preferred the hurri to the spit.

[Nemisis]

OK, then why does the spitfire have good energy retention? I thought that was a weight thing? Is it just that the spitfire has a good power to weight ratio?

[L0nGb0w]

Another Question ??

(snip)..."if the aircraft is heavier than its oppenent then in a dive due to weight and gravity then it accelerates faster doesnt it ?????????   (/snip)

All objects in freefall accelerate at the same rate, regardless of weight.

[Krusty]

dives are not freefall, though.... 

[JOACH1M]

+1 remodel the p40 completly...doesnt seem to get the respect that it really deserves

[mariah11]

thanks for repling fellas I haven't been able to get on because I deleted my account a couple days ago wish skuzzy was looking at this I hope he is and just ain't responding.
<S> all Eric16 and will be when I get my game back up 38jock see ya all in my gun sights 

[SKJohn]

Would be nice to have another plane version of the p-40 added as well.

+1   Bring on the F model with the Merlin engine!