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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2010, 06:49:35 AM »
wow I just read the original thread, that really is nonsense. Id love to see how hes going to turn all that ?physics into a coaded flight model. they will certainly be interesting to fly :eek:
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2010, 07:02:07 AM »
Gaston,

Welcome back, and thank you for submitting your latest theories.
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ouch.





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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2010, 10:17:40 AM »
All is naught, nothing can ever be predicted as gaston just  proved. But doesn't his very proof become invalid since math can not predict anything?

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True Maths can only provide you with a marginal estimate. i.e  you work out by maths the strees and breacking point of a 737's wing and you calculate an average point that it will breack. but in real life testing it may break well before your calculation or well after it. Maths is there in subjects like engineering and physics and sutch to give us a known number. But real life testing can exceed or not meet your numbers.

Thus maths is the guid line we use in design. Best example is when mitchell designed the Spitfire it never in testing was anywhere near his final calculations it was better :)

now again some will take the mickey out of me here but thats my explination of the use of maths in the world :)
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2010, 11:01:55 AM »
True Maths can only provide you with a marginal estimate. i.e  you work out by maths the strees and breacking point of a 737's wing and you calculate an average point that it will breack. but in real life testing it may break well before your calculation or well after it. Maths is there in subjects like engineering and physics and sutch to give us a known number. But real life testing can exceed or not meet your numbers.

Thus maths is the guid line we use in design. Best example is when mitchell designed the Spitfire it never in testing was anywhere near his final calculations it was better :)

now again some will take the mickey out of me here but thats my explination of the use of maths in the world :)


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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2010, 11:40:43 AM »
:headscratch:

WTH is maths.

strees
breacking
breack
sutch
guid
explination


It isn't like there is a button that says 'Spell Check' RIGHT NEXT To the button you have to click to post.
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2010, 12:53:18 PM »
WTH is maths?

maths is the abbreviation of the plural mathematics.

how else would you properly abbreviate mathematics? :P
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2010, 07:05:59 PM »
strees
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sutch
guid
explination


It isn't like there is a button that says 'Spell Check' RIGHT NEXT To the button you have to click to post.


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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2010, 07:59:00 PM »
Bullet is defineatly a grade A personality in-game.

You guys dont know him, and have no business chastising him.
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2010, 09:47:05 PM »
ouch.





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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2010, 08:29:35 AM »
Bullet is defineatly a grade A personality in-game.

You guys dont know him, and have no business chastising him.

Ah, but we do know him.

The stuff he posts here is "legend" (it's even dumber than Gaston's stuff)
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2010, 09:52:21 AM »
A wall full of fresh Caca Del Toro
 

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Gaston, go make your own 1/2 arsed flight sim.  :banana:
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2010, 10:40:43 AM »
Gaston, go make your own 1/2 arsed flight sim.  :banana:

He isn't making a sim but he IS making a board game.

Seriously...

This is all about a Pokemon card game using WW2 airplanes.
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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2010, 12:09:41 PM »
He isn't making a sim but he IS making a board game.

Seriously...

This is all about a Pokemon card game using WW2 airplanes.

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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2010, 02:34:29 PM »
He isn't making a sim but he IS making a board game.

Seriously...

This is all about a Pokemon card game using WW2 airplanes.

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Re: Johnny Johnson, maths and the 1989 Society of Test Pilot report; revisited.
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2010, 11:18:09 PM »

  This is what "Badboy" considers a description that includes VERTICAL LOOPS:

      "Then we both turned hard LEFT, and whirled round on opposite sides of what seemed to be an ever decreasing circle. With wide-open throttles I held the Spitfire V in the tightest of vertical turns. Where was this German, who should, according to my reckoning, be filling the gunsight? I could not see him, and little wonder, for he was gaining on me, and IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF TURNS, he would have me in his sights."

   -Just how seriously do you want to take someone who is unwilling to see that a LOOP in the above text is:

    #1: Absent.

    #2: Would never be named as a TURN?

   Since apparently everyone here is too ignorant of WWII lingo to know "Vertical Turns" was a widely used short-hand for "Vertical bank turns" (no official documents or extensive records for informal short-hands, unfortunately), perhaps you should collectively at least display the intellectual honesty to admit a TURN is NOT a LOOP (and that, to top it off, there is no room for a drastic change of tactics in the above text!!!)...

    Is that too much to ask for? Let me guess...

    Gaston

   P.S. I will try to find some descriptive written reference to this informal WWII lingo, but I doubt even that will convince the open minds around here...

    G.