Why i left the MA....

[Muzzy]

In the MA I expect no quarter given, none asked, six checks given, but not expected, and no such thing as a fair fight.

I've played a little in the Mid-War arena, and in that situation I will try to set the rules of engagement on the "All" channel if I plan to intercept a con on dar.  Otherwise, I would make no assumption that the fight's going to be "clean".  I will ask before I dive into a 1v1 fight though.  If my fellow countryman chooses to cheat on a duel, it's his fault.

I guess the problem is that there are no set rules in the smaller arenas, but lots of different expectations.  Unless the rules are set in stone you can't really expect others to abide by them, but I think at least some of your problem could be solved by communication over the "All" channel. 

[doomed]

Anytime i play a game based on killing the other guy or combat of any kind i expect people to try and kill me period. If i want to duel someone i personally would go to the DA and ask for a 1 v 1 with all the rules i would want.
This is just me and goes for nobody else but i have never ever understood the complaints about gang bangs, alt monkeys, pickers or whatever. If your in a game with 1000 people based on combat it will all happen. Maybe player vs player games are not for people that dont like fair playing fields.

Again these are only my opinions and not anyone elses so let the flames be light.

[shiv]

I see two guys fighting I don't want to ruin it for either of them.  And I would like them to do the same for me.  But I don't really expect it but it's nice when it happens.

But a bigger fight all bets are off.

[Dichotomy]

Let's chill a bit gents...

Grumpy don't let one bad experience keep you away.  I'll be back in a few days and you'll get plenty of scalps at my expense .  Stuff happens.. laugh and move on.  This is the best arena in the game in my opinion.  Every now and then something is bound to happen that aggravates you or me.  Shrug it off.  Does your (insert one or more: dog, cat, kid(s), wife, girlfriend (or both), boss, coworkers and so on, like you any less?  I'm betting no.  Not making light of you're aggravation at the situation but it's a rarity in AVA as far as I know.  Keep coming back and let's have some fun shall we? Correct me if I'm wrong but we're here to have fun aren't we?

[Oldman731]

I see two guys fighting I don't want to ruin it for either of them.  And I would like them to do the same for me.  But I don't really expect it but it's nice when it happens.

But a bigger fight all bets are off.

Many of us feel this way.  Many like to simulate wingman tactics, perhaps squadron tactics.  That's fine.  Just remember that it's a lower-population arena.  Consequently there are fewer options of where you can go to find the fight, and when you get there, it can be distressing to get ganged (or vulched, even worse).  No one really enjoys a pile-on, there's no reward for kills or rank here, so sometimes it's nice to bank away and just watch to see who wins the fight.

Speaking of which:  I had some truly great fights tonight.  Twizzty was waxing my hindquarters, as he always does, duke showed up for a cameo engagement in his P40, many others who are newer to the arena but just as enthusiastic as us older folks.  Very memorable.

- oldman

[Dichotomy]

Tomorrow nights off for me Old but I could use some schooling.  When you going to be on again?   Same for you Doom?  I'll wing with ya... not that it will do a whole lot of good but I can scrape the pickers off of ya

[The Fugitive]

First let me say I haven't been in the AvA arena in awhile, but one of the reasons is exactly the complaint the OP has. If I want the same BS as the main arena, I might as well fly there as there are more targets.

5 vs 1 the 5 should have a little class and back off and let the fight progress to what even conclusion it will. I don't care if he IS your wingman, stay out of the fight. Ya know why? If it's me as the "1" I will keep coming back and take each of you on time after time. Win or lose isn't as important as the fight. If I keep coming back the 5 of you can take turns fighting me, on the other hand if you gang, or wingman me I'm done and the 5 of you can play circle gerk with yourselves.

The biggest problem I have ALWAYS run into in AvA has always been the attitudes. If you make it NO FUN to play there NOBODY is going to play there! You all complain about nobody playing in AvA then when someone does try it out you gang up on him and trash him. I think that is where you should start in trying to get people in there. Never mind new maps, new senarios, you have to build a better attitude.  As soon as the dork picked the OP the rest of the players should have been all over him and trash him for his stupidity and lack of honor.

It's up to the player base to police themselves to make the arena something OTHER THAN another MA. Again, if the AvA has the same crap as the MA Why should I bother spending time in there?

[StokesAk]

Put something in the arena message that says to allow 1v1 fights, and try to stay co-alt with others, not above.

Not that people would look at it, but to give them something to look at to show them they have done wrong.

[captain1ma]

please understand that there are alot of new players in the AVA. they come from the MA's. our little unwritten rules thing has started more crap in the past then id like to think about, so basically there are no rules. this being said, people who don't know any better, will do what they have been doing, until they figure out that they shouldn't do it(i think i confused myself!).

whether its right or wrong doesn't really matter. when that happens, to me anyway, i either die, change tactics or just leave the arena. a friendly message to the populace on 200 might be helpful, but will probably just start a watermelon storm. how its handled is what will change the tactics. lead by example, and point it out. yelling ,whining, giving someone crap, or jumping on a flame-fest band wagon doesn't really do much more then make it worse. half the time, the offenders probably don't read the post anyway.

not saying that 5 V 1 is right, just saying that it will happen from time to time and only teaching will make it better. if one of those 5 was a vet, he shouldve asked the other 4 to stay out. if none were AVA vets, then it doesn't really matter.

[RTHolmes]

... so you had to fight 1v2.

oh noes!!

[jimson]

The one who most wants to keep it a 1v1 is the one who has the advantageous position at the time.

Letting a friendly get shot down if you are in a position to clear his six is bound to lead to some hard feelings as well.

I just try to use common sense.

If there are 2 friendlies in the immediate area of the bandit, I look for other targets. If it looks like someone's involved in a good rolling dogfight, I observe.

If a friendly is about to get waxed and I can engage his pursuer, I will.

If asked to stay out, I comply.

For my part, if I am alone in an area with multiple bandits, I expect to be engaged by multiple bandits.

It's not a 1v1 dueling arena.

[waystin2]

Put something in the arena message that says to allow 1v1 fights, and try to stay co-alt with others, not above.

Not that people would look at it, but to give them something to look at to show them they have done wrong.

I completely disagree.  There is nothing wrong with what was done.  Like other pilots who have been around for awhile, I avoid piling on a single con with multiple friendlies already on it.  I will switch sides in a heartbeat to even up.  I will always stay clear of someones ongoing 1 vs. 1 if asked.  I am doing all things that I can to keep it fair, fun and balanced.  Let's not make some unwritten pilots code into posted rule.  This is not what this arena is about.  Please correct me if I am wrong.


 

Way

[grumpy37]

I dont want some writen code of ethics so to speak.  Just frustrating when the numbers are as lopsided as they were and to pick a player.  Just a different style of play that I personally dont care for but I also understand its a big part of the game now.  Maybe i just need to adopt the kill at all costs and at any opportunity that 95% of the community seems to have. 

[trap78]

from grumpy37:

Maybe i just need to adopt the kill at all costs and at any opportunity that 95% of the community seems to have.

Don't do it man. Be part of the 5% not the 95%. It's not always easy but then playing the game with a higher code of conduct never is. Getting killed by a group of 5+ bad guys is no reflection on your skill or ability, but it speaks volumes about theirs.

 

[grumpy37]

from grumpy37:
Don't do it man. Be part of the 5% not the 95%. It's not always easy but then playing the game with a higher code of conduct never is. Getting killed by a group of 5+ bad guys is no reflection on your skill or ability, but it speaks volumes about theirs.

 

Ive been tryin for a long time to do just that.   And your right it does.