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Offline jocrp6

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Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« on: September 19, 2010, 09:54:03 AM »
   Still Having Issues here,   My comp wou'nt even take the last patch, some kind of shade error?  so removed all of old game, fresh download and thought all is well! (not)  some days are better than others,  went all day one day no problems, then the other day, took three times to get her going right after I started! (Aces High has stopped working)!   Now I don't have the (XP Mode) virtualization on home premium windows7,  my processor and MB are set up for it!  but I do have another HDD and XP disc,  Should I try that first or up grade existing windows7 and try the virtualization?     the virtual part would be easy but cost!
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 05:03:44 PM »
Virtualization was developed for "legacy" programs that would not work on a vista/7 platform.  Basically, it runs XP on an emulated setup so these programs will run correctly.  99.9% of people don't need, nor will ever use this function.  Running AH through Virtualization would cost you a pretty penny as far as performance goes, and it's simply not necessary as AH works just fine in a multi-core 64-bit environment.  Simply put, it would be a huge waste of money to upgrade your Win7 just for this.

You can just as easily install the other hard drive and install XP on it and have a dual-boot XP/7 operating system installed.

I should note that I run AH on Win7 Home Premium 64bit with no issues whatsoever, so it's not an incompatibility with Windows that is your problem.

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 07:42:21 PM »
   Why does it say Aces High is not compatible in (control panel/troubleshooting/history)  on the list (program compatibility) Mmm, wonder what that is?   issues found, incompatible Application, detected.   fix application Aces High,  Failed.   Mmm, wonder why it says that?  and that was on 9/18 after fresh reinstall.   windows is not crashing, Aces High is,   I'll have a screen freeze,  loud Eeuhhh sound,white screen that say's (Aces high has stopped working)
    and I still have the same problem after undoing my RAID-0 setup on SSD's and going back to a single HDD!   What a waste! I wonder why your not having problems?  My window's7 came in a little white box! did your's?
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 09:35:56 PM »
A *LOT* of us are running Aces High with Windows 7 64-bit and experiencing no problems whatsoever.  I can't answer why Windows is flagging Aces High as incompatible because it isn't doing that on my system.

Since there are millions upon millions of possible hardware and software combinations, it is impossible to even begin what is going on with your system without at least knowing more about it.  How about starting with a DxDiag report?

It's possible your hard drive is failing (SSD units are still new technology and are known for corrupting files even today).. or you may have some bad RAM, or a bad Graphics or Sound card... there's just no telling.

You can right-click on the shortcut and select "compatibility" and run it under XP compatibility mode and see what happens, but what I DO know is that Virtualization is not going to solve your problems, and even if it did, Aces High would perform so poorly you would beat up your computer.

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2010, 08:20:35 AM »
While I've had issues with my Windows 7 Home Premium, one of those problems has never been getting into the AHII or playing the game. On occasion I, like some other Win7 users, have a wondrous, fun filled crash, but it's always while in the game tooling around. Every time I install an AHII patch, it (win7) complains the install was 'bad.' Ignoring that message seems to do no harm. (I've been doing that since before my crash issue.. which oddly is happening less and less)

Simply put: there is something wrong on your system itself. AHII is not your issue, it is just a symptom. I wish I could offer something else to help you, but my solutions are usually to format, then reinstall. Typically quicker than trying to get answers and easy to reset settings. (then again, I also have an external 1TB HD that I save settings to...)
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2010, 09:43:53 AM »
I tried doing that.  Through Virtual XP I could not even run the game.  

I have XP Pro I bought from Staples for my old Dell.  I don't think Microsoft will allow me to reload it to another machine.  Maybe it is worth a call to them, though and ask if they would allow it for a fee.  My old Dell I save for backup, but the Pentium 4 chip is almost obsolete especially using the .NET upgrades. I post stuff to these boards, sometimes, just to see what kind of feedback I will get for maybe a better idea.

Virtualization was developed for "legacy" programs that would not work on a vista/7 platform.  Basically, it runs XP on an emulated setup so these programs will run correctly.  99.9% of people don't need, nor will ever use this function.  Running AH through Virtualization would cost you a pretty penny as far as performance goes, and it's simply not necessary as AH works just fine in a multi-core 64-bit environment.  Simply put, it would be a huge waste of money to upgrade your Win7 just for this.

You can just as easily install the other hard drive and install XP on it and have a dual-boot XP/7 operating system installed.

I should note that I run AH on Win7 Home Premium 64bit with no issues whatsoever, so it's not an incompatibility with Windows that is your problem.

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2010, 10:31:00 AM »
I tried doing that.  Through Virtual XP I could not even run the game.  

I have XP Pro I bought from Staples for my old Dell.  I don't think Microsoft will allow me to reload it to another machine.  Maybe it is worth a call to them, though and ask if they would allow it for a fee.  My old Dell I save for backup, but the Pentium 4 chip is almost obsolete especially using the .NET upgrades. I post stuff to these boards, sometimes, just to see what kind of feedback I will get for maybe a better idea.


If it was a retail copy of XP Pro, you can put it on another system so long as you remove it from your old Dell first.
If it was an OEM (system builders) copy, then it technically can only be used on the system it was originally installed onto.

Now, I've had luck in the past reinstalling and reactivating OEM copies of XP on systems that had a major upgrade (new motherboard, power supply, processor, etc).. some went right through and others required a phone call to Microsoft, but not once have I ever been denied, so there is a really good chance that even if it was an OEM copy it would still work for you, but technically it may be considered "against the rules".

Now what I think personally about these 'rules'... well that's a different story altogether...

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2010, 11:39:22 AM »
   Fudging Microsoft is no big deal on revalidating window's, just take's a little time,just tell them that your a gamer, and youve upgraded something!  and while your on hold you think about how much of a DmA,
you are for going back thru this mess!  If it's on MY PLATE, I'll figure it out.  guess I read too much!  he,he  But Dude, I'm not getting a DELL.
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2010, 02:35:44 PM »
My current machine, my May 2010 new build, is not a Dell and also is not any brand name.  It is just a mess of various parts I bought new from New Egg.  My 1st build was/is a learning experience.  My new build sometime in the future will be a bit different from lessons learned this time around.  When I did high school, our computer was a slide rule.  Must be nice to learn computers, in school, in a class environment, from kindergarten on.  I am self taught and consequently my learning curve is rather expensive.  LOL!  You geek guys are a valuable reference source.  My opinion concerning Microsoft's way of doing business with their licensing rules is not fit to print here.

  Fudging Microsoft is no big deal on revalidating window's, just take's a little time,just tell them that your a gamer, and youve upgraded something!  and while your on hold you think about how much of a DmA,
you are for going back thru this mess!  If it's on MY PLATE, I'll figure it out.  guess I read too much!  he,he  But Dude, I'm not getting a DELL.
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 06:10:12 PM »
   I here ya, I'm running the best of the last 775 (socket stuff)! when the I-5,I-7 stuff came out,  I was able to get a Intel Q9550 for a little over 200
Bucks! it was over 400$ before the new stuff was out!   I had a real nice gamer setup at the beginning of the year, A nice MSI P-45 chipset- it got hit by lightning!  just got the modem and motherboard,    restarted with an ASUS P5ND on Nvidia 750 Chipset,  I just did'nt like it, plus the north bridge ran just way too hot!  Soo I went back to P-45 Chipset on a Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3LR and steped up to the world of DDR3 DRAM!
   And I wonder if that might be messing with me?  everybody else I find running a Q9550 (775) socket is still on DDR2!

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2010, 10:37:34 PM »
   I here ya, I'm running the best of the last 775 (socket stuff)! when the I-5,I-7 stuff came out,  I was able to get a Intel Q9550 for a little over 200
Bucks! it was over 400$ before the new stuff was out!   I had a real nice gamer setup at the beginning of the year, A nice MSI P-45 chipset- it got hit by lightning!  just got the modem and motherboard,    restarted with an ASUS P5ND on Nvidia 750 Chipset,  I just did'nt like it, plus the north bridge ran just way too hot!  Soo I went back to P-45 Chipset on a Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3LR and steped up to the world of DDR3 DRAM!
   And I wonder if that might be messing with me?  everybody else I find running a Q9550 (775) socket is still on DDR2!

I'm running an E7400 Wolfdale Socket 775 2.8GHZ on DDR3 1066 ram (2X2GHZ) with an Intel G43/ICH10 Chipset Motherboard with no issues whatsoever.  I even have it slightly overclocked to 3.0GHZ.  No it's not a quad, but it's the same generation.  I don't think the DDR3 ram is your issue.

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2010, 11:20:56 PM »
<----  win 7/64
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I had a problem with AH a few days ago,, I don't know if it was game related or not but my computer would freeze up completely after i logged in, it was heck to get it running again. this all started around the 15th as far as I can tell  maybe a bit before,
 it only happened in AH on and off line, it worked fine all the rest of the time
 all i found was one of my processors ( number 4) had reset to a different value ( lower )  than the other 3 ,  i reset it, cleaned everything up, restored to an earlier date and I'm back up and running!

 I have no idea if 1 thing had anything to do with the other but the game was starting to slow down before I worked on it, and is now as good as new!
 my temps were all fine before and all fans were running as they are supposed to, all other values were fine as well.
  it only affected me in AH,,,, but this is the only game I play and the only time my computer is working hard!
 i also suspected my video card, even tho my temps and voltage seemed ok,  if it goes down again  I may look there!
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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2010, 09:22:58 AM »
   That's odd, never herd of just one core out of 4 underclocking itself, But I don't know alot bout the newer I5/I7 stuff!  and this is the only game I play also,  I've jacked up my ICH (southbridge) voltages!  I was on a lot for Titanic tue's  and everything was fine! cept for getting my but kicked! lol

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Re: Hey Skuzzy! Will XP Mode (virtualization) fix windows7 64 Bit?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2010, 09:45:06 AM »
It is an AMD processor, and I responded with what can cause it.

If the core, in question, is overheating, the CPU will slow it down.  It is quite possible for a single core to overheat in a multi-core CPU.  I suggested setting the game to run in "Windows 98/Windows ME" compatibility mode to force the game to be locked to one CPU and see what happens.
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