CV's not being used in the game.......

[Dadsguns]

So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense???  Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining.  Oh that's right, it is easier to whine  

If you want to avoid a fight yes it makes perfect strategic sense.

Maybe folks that want to respond should have focused on that they did take the port that the cv's belonged to and owned both ports ALL DAY.

Oh that's right, you didn't read anything.....  

The cv to port relationship is sort of hard wired into the terrain (the map).

I am basically suggesting a timer is latched in (or reset) each time a port is taken if the CV is not owned by the same country that owns the port after e.g 60 minutes Then it is scuttled.

 

I think this is a good idea. Could even be longer (like 3 hours or so)... which means it has some merit to keep CV alive for some time, but doesn't keep CV's out of the game indefinitely.  It's also a good incentive to get the port back (thus creating fights!). Maybe you should create a distinct thread for this wish ?

Wish submitted.

 

I think that is  a very good idea and reasonable and would certainly create a fight.  

[uptown]

Here is a question that just popped into my head: does the captured and hidden CV count towards the win percentage for map reset?  If so, this might explain some of this behavior.

I dont know about now waystin but i'm pretty sure it used to.

[waystin2]

Yes it does, and yes it does.

I love freaking epiphanies!

[1Boner]

So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense???  Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining.  Oh thats right, it is easier to whine 

How is a CV thats NOT being used an "asset" ??

Hiding a Cv is one thing, taking it out of gameplay for ANYONE to use is another.

What if I decided I or any other Bish wanted to use those Cvs for something?  Basicly, your teammates said NO!! NOBODY is going to use them.

Who the @#$% are they to tell anyone they can't move or use those Cvs???


Then I get some pre-pubesent Joker private voxing me, calling me names etc.  All I gotta say about the whole thing last night is WOW.

[ttflier]

Who the @#$% are they to tell anyone they can't move or use those Cvs???

The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play.  If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right.  With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is".  The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it  and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.

Dadsguns - Touche!  I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time and my squaddies were getting hammered. I apologize for my sarcastic tone 

[LLogann]

QFT

So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense???  Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining.  Oh thats right, it is easier to whine 

[1Boner]

The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play.  If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right.  With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is".  The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it  and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.

Dadsguns - Touche!  I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time.

I actually had a higher ranked Bish player offer me to take control of the Cv away from the guy who had command.

I declined, but thanked him for the offer.


I think that if you're going to "command" a task group, you should have to be on board. Not off somewhere else flying a plane.

But some people just like to "game" the game to further their own needs.

[whiteman]

QFT

QFStupidity

[Dadsguns]

QFStupidity

 

[LLogann]

What?  Man made a valid point.  BTW... I have spent 2 hours flying the open ocean looking for cv's in lost sectors.  To be perfectly honest, the bad people don't steal the cv, the good people let them get away with stealing it.  So be mindful of who you call stupid, stoopid.  Dam ship is moving slower than we can run and somehow the horde stole it?  WAKE UP and play the game you whining Donkey's. 

QFStupidity

[whiteman]

What?  Man made a valid point.  BTW... I have spent 2 hours flying the open ocean looking for cv's in lost sectors.  To be perfectly honest, the bad people don't steal the cv, the good people let them get away with stealing it.  So be mindful of who you call stupid, stoopid.  Dam ship is moving slower than we can run and somehow the horde stole it?  WAKE UP and play the game you whining Donkey's. 

Excuse some of us for having a life and going to bed before midnight and maybe getting on for maybe an hour before bases get rolled between 12am-3am, against little to no opposition. I realize this is some of yalls life and think a hidden CV 12 sectors out is an asset, it's not it's stupidity is what that is. Doesn't mater who is doing it for which ever country, they're a moron.

[Jayhawk]

i find this type of anti-dweebery extremely funny and additionally very productive to the game play of the many as opposed to catering to the selfishness of a few (not to be confused with members of The FEW  guys) so i have adopted this type of anti-dweebery attitude and shall from now on live up to similar standards in similar situations.

now this does not mean i will give up noe missions or big mixed bag missions heading out to do their base thing.

but if there is a furball going on that you want to end just because its your $15.00 then rest assured i will give up your location and give anyone who chases you a free pass, if i spot CV's tucked in the corner of the map not being used i will announce their location to the world at large.

you wanna play like a selfish a&*%$#e then i will be happy to meet you at that level.

 

Here is my question, who defines "dweebery"?  It's a very personal definition and remember that something you find dweebish the other guys finds normal.  In that furball you are in, there are probably guys like you who are enjoying the furball, and there are other guys who are wanting to push the base.  Those bombers probably want to push the base and try for a capture.  So, with all due respect, I find it a little selfish on your part to assume that everyone is wanting to play your way.  Obviously that one pilot wanted to help protect the bombers. Obviously the bombers wanted to push the base, but you wouldn't let them play their way.

I actually had a higher ranked Bish player offer me to take control of the Cv away from the guy who had command.

I declined, but thanked him for the offer.

For me, this just tells me that you'd rather whine about it.  You had a realistic option to take control of the situation your way, but declined and continued to shout out names and the CVs location.

[columbus]

The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play.  If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right.  With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is".  The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it  and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.

Dadsguns - Touche!  I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time and my squaddies were getting hammered. I apologize for my sarcastic tone 

thats sounds about right, everyone can in 1 country can have their own objectives and may even go against the majority but they paid their 14.95 and have the right to hog a CV and steer any where they want just like the next person can when its available, there is no country for the most part except when the few times people do work together but other then thats its squads doing their own thing, bases being took noone defending after 100's of "alerts" being sent out. 

[FLOTSOM]

Here is my question, who defines "dweebery"?  It's a very personal definition and remember that something you find dweebish the other guys finds normal.  In that furball you are in, there are probably guys like you who are enjoying the furball, and there are other guys who are wanting to push the base.  Those bombers probably want to push the base and try for a capture.  So, with all due respect, I find it a little selfish on your part to assume that everyone is wanting to play your way.  Obviously that one pilot wanted to help protect the bombers. Obviously the bombers wanted to push the base, but you wouldn't let them play their way.

Jayhawk

well as i stated, there were 30 to 40 people on the ground and in the air, from what i saw while i was there we remained away from the towns, nobody else upped any type of air mission against the bases directly, we stayed prodominantly in the middle between the bases, when the fight did near one base or the other neither side vulched de-acked or attempted any other type of capping move, the gv's did not attack the towns or bases but remained in the middle, i saw only 2 wirbles upped they both remained on the enemy runway for a very short period of time and fired at planes that encroached to closely, as they did not stay very long i assume they landed out of boredom and upped planes instead.

my point being is that for over an hour 30 to 40 people made no move on each others bases, 30 to 40 people were having their fun their way, but a couple as in 2 people didn't like it and want to play their way without any respect paid to the 30 to 40 people who were having a good time. as i stated, there were other fights going on and i saw a couple missions posted for else where on the map, instead this "person" decides that his $15.00 says its OK that 2 people have the right to screw up a fight that has been ongoing and providing entertainment to many many people. well then if that is the case my $15.00 says that i will screw with his bomber runs every time i get the chance.

additionally, as i said they were in bombers, not C47's or any other type of troop carriers and their intended targets directly from their mouths were the hangers not the buildings of the town. so their pushing the base is highly unlikely, maybe their destroying the fight and hoping that others would push the base is a possibility. but they were repeatedly asked multiple times by multiple people to back off, to not go after the hangers. they made their choice and we who were there showed our disapproval.

as far as the one player who went after the 51, well my thought at the time was the guy didn't realize that the 51 was persuing the bombers. he may not have understood what was going on at the time. he boomed in from on high and saw a lower slower 51 and jumped him. gee i screwed up his pick. I'm sure he found another one.

yep it breaks my heart that our actions kept that fight going for the next 45 minutes that i stayed on. was still ongoing when i called it a night. so for the price of 2 bomber jocks getting punked and 1 picker missing his kill 30 to 40 guys had fun for a minimum of an hour and a half.

hmmmmmm that's $30.00 ($45.00 if you count the pick) against $450.00 to $600.00, well i think that $450.00 to $600.00 would be the ones to define dweebery in that instance.

now as i implied earlier, this is not appropriate behavior in all instances, if you jump into a fight along side a mission or squad that is intended on base taking then in that instance you would be the dweeb if you acted in a like manner as we did in the above described event.

but i guess that's the basic point isn't it?

if you are amongst the few (not the squad) in the fight and you want to fight another way then why dont you go look for your style elsewhere instead of trying to force the many to forget about their fun and cater to you?

oh and so there is no misunderstanding here, any "you" that i use was merely in form and not directed at you personally Jay, i tend to agree with most of your posts and the things you say and when i disagree you tend to pose a very good argument in support of your theories.

[Jayhawk]

Jay, i tend to agree with most of your posts and the things you say and when i disagree you tend to pose a very good argument in support of your theories.

Thank you, I was actually thinking the exact same thing about you today before I read the posts in here.  You think objectively and speak respectfully.  The only other thing I would say is to remember that those bomber pilots probably (hopefully) aren't doing this just to screw with 30-40 people, they believe they are helping.  That being said, if someone or enough people ask you to refrain from dropping the hangers, I think it's respectful to do so.  I certainly would have continued on to another target (of course I'd never even imagine bombing a field at 8k!   ).

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