new toy time (rifle)

[Vulcan]

They look scary to some people. 

Yeah and ahh guns don't?

[Jayhawk]

Yeah and ahh guns don't?

Yulcan, I think your sarcasm detector is turned off, might want to reset it.

[oneway]

Their use is restricted here for a few very good, very simple reasons.  

They look scary to some people.  

And, some people think that naughty people might do naughty things with them, so it would be better if nobody could have them at all, including the non-naughty folks (who are only non-naughty because they haven't been caught doing the naughty things they've obviously been doing... yet...).

Let me get this straight...

A guy with a cpid of mtnman thinks that restricting suppressors is a good thing?

In this case I think mtnman == tree hugger...

Explain to me how restricting the use of suppressors by non-felons serves a single purpose?

Oneway

PS: before you go on about straw purchases...let me point out that where suppressors are restricted (such as California)...that does not stop the gang bangers from acquiring them...EASILY...just like the flood of drugs spilling over our borders....and lets take HT's state...where suppressors are legal...contingent on federal tax stamp restrictions of course....latest crime stats has TX head and shoulders above cesspools such as Kalifornistan...

[oneway]

It is positively astounding the level of ignorance the non-firearms community and 'gun fearing' individual has toward guns and their various appliances...

Absolutely astounding....chalk it up to a the purposely dumbed down public education product (served propaganda and a agenda) that our system pumps out, then amplified by the liberal college bilge that gets fed by the professors to the gullible...

This frigging country is in trouble...when its supposedly 'educated' inhabitants buy this anti-gun crap hook line and sinker...

Wake up kids....

Nobody is going to save your rear end but you...

Hello?...anybody home?

Your either a victim or a victor...your fate rests in your hands...

Out

Oneway

[Vulcan]

PS: before you go on about straw purchases...let me point out that where suppressors are restricted (such as California)...that does not stop the gang bangers from acquiring them...EASILY...just like the flood of drugs spilling over our borders....and lets take HT's state...where suppressors are legal...contingent on federal tax stamp restrictions of course....latest crime stats has TX head and shoulders above cesspools such as Kalifornistan...

From what I understand manufacture of a suppressor is fairly easy as well.

[katanaso]

oneway, I think mtnman was being sarcastic in his reply.  

[Jayhawk]

Oneway, I do believe mtnman was using sarcasm to point out how ridiculous the logic of suppressor restriction is in this country.

That being said, I agree with your second post about gun ignorance in this country.  That's very prevalent for me as the issue of concealed carry on campus has been active for the last year here at KU.  The arguments against it are usually baseless and come from those who have never shot a gun and can't imagine it being used for anything but evil.

The solution, IMO, comes down to the individual gun owner showing responsibility, control, and perseverance about the issue.  I have a friend who grew up in an urban environment where her only experience with guns was gang shootings, so she was understandably nervous and intimidated when I walk into her home carrying a concealed firearm.  After many conversations about gun ownership, we finally took her out shooting.  She might not be a gun owner any time soon, but I know her view on gun owners has changed dramatically since then.

[Gman]

Very true Vulcan.  An x-Army pal started a company selling suppressor tech here in Canada, where they are just as restricted as in the US.  We shot every weekend together for years and I got to try all manner of spiffy kit on a lot of my rifles, which is a real rare priveledge in this country with our gun laws.

www.canadiantactical.ca


Here is 13,000 dollars worth of my hard earned $$ spent on silly things, used for a different type of hunting



We use suppressors on some of our M4's at work, and I agree with you, surprisingly enough they do tend to tighten up the groups by a small margin, and with little if any loss of velocity.  When engaged in night operations, having supps combined with IR gogs and laser designators is a huge, HUGE advantage, as the suppressors eat up some of the flash as well as sound by trapping the escaping gas.

I'm quite jealous you get to hunt with them in your country.  A fellow I used to work with retired there and brought all his guns from Canada he could with him, and says the hunting and shooting is top notch.

[Vulcan]

Mother of god what is that!

[Gman]

That sir is an AMP DSR-1, probably the finest precision factory made rifle you can buy.  Mine is chambered in .308, but it is available in .300 win mag and .338 Lapua.  Both the latter rounds are without argument far better for most applications than little ol .308, it's just that I'm all set up for reloading .308 plus have access to loads of free or inexpensive match .308 ammo but no 300 or 338, so that's what I went with.  

I've heard there is a few in the USA, and the only one I've ever seen for sale was sold for 20,000$, so worst case scenario, I can fedex mine away and buy a new Jeep (just kidding border services).

There are a half dozen shooters here in Calgary than own them, and I don't know of a single thing breaking or a failure to fire happening in the last 5 years since they came available here.




These are the big mothers, used by our JTF2 Special operations guys (this picture was taken on their long rifle range in 2004 or so), and even THEY can benefit from having a suppressor installed, and most of them in service do.

[Vulcan]

Very nice... spec's list some scarey MOA accuracy at range. There's a bunch of long range guys over here, 338 is popular, but same as you many like the 308, but they seem to be also getting into 270WSM and 7mmRUM a lot as well. Up in the hills they are frequently doing a lot of long range shooting on chamois and tahr. Most of my shooting will always be sub-200m.

[oneway]

Oneway, I do believe mtnman was using sarcasm to point out how ridiculous the logic of suppressor restriction is in this country.

That being said, I agree with your second post about gun ignorance in this country.  That's very prevalent for me as the issue of concealed carry on campus has been active for the last year here at KU.  The arguments against it are usually baseless and come from those who have never shot a gun and can't imagine it being used for anything but evil.

The solution, IMO, comes down to the individual gun owner showing responsibility, control, and perseverance about the issue.  I have a friend who grew up in an urban environment where her only experience with guns was gang shootings, so she was understandably nervous and intimidated when I walk into her home carrying a concealed firearm.  After many conversations about gun ownership, we finally took her out shooting.  She might not be a gun owner any time soon, but I know her view on gun owners has changed dramatically since then.

Report from occupied Kalifornia...

I hope he was sarcastic...having known him a bit and interacted with him I DID NOT anticipate that post...

You and I are on the same page brother.... ... despite myself being land locked in the lunacy that is Kaliforistan...we(and my friends here) are  keeping  the heat on on the CC movement across the country...

We never stop...

By the way....

Lead council on Heller came out of/was associated with our organization/affiliation (Calguns)...T & M are major allies and partners in Calgun's efforts...because quite frankly we are really pissed off...and we have felt the oppression here unlike any other in the nation...except maybe New York..

We are fighting our battles..and funding and fighting national battles...

We wont rest until we incorporate fully the 2'nd...as is the 1'st and 4'th and other amendments...next on the case list is Nordyke v King (Alameda)...

Their are various cases on the platter now working their way through the system that will leverage the Heller decision...and once and for all decide the issue of incorporation per 2nd...

We will never give up...

Nuff said...

We are taking it back and nothing is going to stop us...


See: DC v Heller
See: Nordyke v King
See: Trutanich & Michel...now Michel Associates
See: Calguns.net

[dedalos]

So the suppressor is great no matter which way you look at it (I cannot understand why you guys restrict their use when their benefits are so great). I put the latex camo tape on mine to cut down on noise it makes brushing past trees and scrub (aluminum is a bit 'tinky').

Cause we don't think twice about shooting people here 

[mtnman]

Report from occupied Kalifornia...

I hope he was sarcastic...having known him a bit and interacted with him I DID NOT anticipate that post...

Trust me, I was being sarcastic.  I'm a long way from being a tree-hugger.  My idea of gun control is I take care of mine, you take care of yours, and we both keep an eye out to make sure that we and other shooters have safe fun in a great hobby/sport/pastime.

Personally, I have zero interest in suppressors, plastic stocks, or military firearms more modern than about 1860-1865.  That said, I don't see any reason why a law-abiding citizen shouldn't be allowed to own and shoot whatever types of firearms he or she would like to.

[Vulcan]

Sorry mtnman I have had someone seriously question the need for a suppressor before (from the US) so I thought that bit was for real, guess ya hooked me

Anyhoo finally got a semi-calm day today, took her to the range to sight her in, piccie is a 200m group (~220 yards), grid is 1/2 inch, top one was a bit of a flier (ie me), so I'm confident she can hold a 1 inch group @ 200m  - I'm happy.