Angela Merkel

[Ripsnort]

I just found out that an extended family member who is 16 is now pregnant.  The parents, who have 6 other kids that we (the working class) are supporting, are planning a baby shower. 

When asked if we were going to attend, I bluntly told her that if we did I would gift wrap a hanger, scissors, and a box of condoms since I just cannot condone teenage pregnancy.

A child may be a gift from (above) but a roll of duct tape to hold your legs together is a gift from Home Depot.

[Ardy123]

Guys,
if its people not sharing the tax burden your going after, then you shouldn't stop at illegals... There are many more entities that account for a lot more money that don't pay their share, yet benefit from the system for their success.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

[guncrasher]

You still didn't answer the question, who will do the jobs?

Semp

[CAP1]

Guys,
if its people not sharing the tax burden your going after, then you shouldn't stop at illegals... There are many more entities that account for a lot more money that don't pay their share, yet benefit from the system for their success.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

so we're back to you being fine with criminals? what about the question i asked before?

[CAP1]

You still didn't answer the question, who will do the jobs?

Semp

young americans, and legal immigrants.

[1Boner]

Guys,
if its people not sharing the tax burden your going after, then you shouldn't stop at illegals... There are many more entities that account for a lot more money that don't pay their share, yet benefit from the system for their success.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html

Yes, but aren't those other "entities" American Citizens??

[Ardy123]

so we're back to you being fine with criminals? what about the question i asked before?

No cap1, the only revelation was that you fantasize about behaving as a criminal as a means to punish teenagers.

in my mind that is it. if they continue to repeat such serious mistakes, then it would seem to be the only solution. i can't imagine in the timeframe to have 5 kids that no one took the time to tell her or the guys doing this to her that it is wrong.

Of course it's ok for Americans and their corporations to avoid paying their fair share (sarcasm intended).

Yes, but aren't those other "entities" American Citizens??

[CAP1]

No cap1, the only revelation was that you fantasize about behaving as a criminal as a means to punish teenagers.

so taking the time to tell teens why they're wrong is criminal behavior? or putting them in jail is criminal behavior?

 i like how you jumped back to this to avoid answering the question concerning illegals.

[Ardy123]

so taking the time to tell teens why they're wrong is criminal behavior? or putting them in jail is criminal behavior?

 i like how you jumped back to this to avoid answering the question concerning illegals.

Sure cap, because doing this is 'telling them'...

are some very very ungood thought peculating in my head about punishment for sluts like her......

You can try and lie, but I'm going to call you out on it... every time. I don't believe any questions as asked of me, if your referring to Semp's post, I believe it was directed towards you. I brought up the same concern.

That is very true, it would cause a massive disruption to the economy, as they are an integrated part of the economy today. Although I would prefer an level playing field and would be willing to pay higher prices for it, claiming that we need to go after illegal immigration seems to be a dishonest policy if we are unwilling to accept the consequences. If we need them to uphold our economy, then they should be allowed to be here legally, if we don't want the help, go after the people encouraging them to be here, if we just want cheap exploitive labor (black market labor force, aka illegal workers), well shame on us, we get what we deserve.

All this being said, I still believe that underneath, its not about employment, its about xenophobia, much like Germany's chancellors remarks.

What else do you need cap?

[Ripsnort]

dang those evil empire corporations that create jobs for us all, Ardy! 

[1Boner]

Of course it's ok for Americans and their corporations to avoid paying their fair share (sarcasm intended).

The thing is, we're NOT talking about Americans here.

This discussion seems to be about people who sneak into this country illegally and the sissies that coddle them.

We can't take care of the world.

We're lucky to be able to take care of our own.

[Ardy123]

dang those evil empire corporations that create jobs for us all, Ardy! 

lol, I am only trying to illuminate that if the core rational is one of tax revenue, there are other entities that if were to contribute their intended 'fair share' would amount to much more tax revenue than what is lost from being unable to tax illegal immigrants.

[CAP1]

Sure cap, because doing this is 'telling them'...
You can try and lie, but I'm going to call you out on it... every time. I don't believe any questions as asked of me, if your referring to Semp's post, I believe it was directed towards you. I brought up the same concern.

What else do you need cap?

we already covered that....with the putting them in jail thing.

the question asked was concerning illegals.

 you're driving with your wife, and kids.  car blows a traffic light, broadsides you. you're the only survivor in the van. illegal driving the car that hit ya.

 would you still feel that they should be allowed here?

[1Boner]

I would also like to make a suggestion to anyone who is for "open" borders and taking care of all these poor illegals.

Invite them into YOUR home and pay for their food,clothes, medical bills, education etc. etc.

Oh and don't forget to learn to speak spanish, you wouldn't want to put them out by making them learn the language of their benefactors.

[CAP1]

lol, I am only trying to illuminate that if the core rational is one of tax revenue, there are other entities that if were to contribute their intended 'fair share' would amount to much more tax revenue than what is lost from being unable to tax illegal immigrants.

tax revenue is only part of it.

 the core rational....i'll type this slowly for ya..........

they are C R I M I N A L S