Different colors for enemy Dar Bars and Dar dots

[Vinkman]

The game treats all enemies as the same. If I'm knights and there's no one to fight and I go to swtich sides, I always seems to guess wrong. Why am I guessing you say? Because the map shows this huge red DAR bar meaning there is a big fight going on, but it doesn't say which side has more or less. I want to jump in on the side with less people, I can't tell from the dar bar who is out numbering who, so I look at the roster and it's pretty close but Bish have fewer in the arena, so I switch to Bish. Crap the hoarde is Bish! now I'm just another one of the capping hoarde, and I'm stuck here for an hour! ugh.

My wish is that the DAR Bar is switched to not show friendly [we have dots for that] but to show the strength of the other two countires, with two separate colors.

 

[MachFly]

I guess it can be useful, but most of the time the only thing you care about are friendly and enemy. Also you can just ask on 200.

It can also be used as a survival tactics, for example if your a rook and your running from a bish you can check the map for knights and if there are they can be used for assistance.

[LLogann]

That negates the true purpose of Bar-DAR. 

-1

Enemy is an enemy is an enemy

[Vinkman]

That negates the true purpose of Bar-DAR. 

-1

Enemy is an enemy is an enemy

what is the true purpose of a dar bar?

My understanding is that "intellignece" is telling you how many enemy there are. Has there ever been a 3 sided war in real life? if intel is letting me know enemies are up, it would have to know which enemies wouldn't it?

[LLogann]

Bar-DAR is farmer Fred, who has been assigned the job of spotting, or calling the base saying they saw planes.  It isn't radar, it isn't an intel operative, it is common folk. 



You going to sit here and tell me some 15 year old farmer's daughter can tell the difference between one country or another when every country flies the same plane?

Bar-Dar refers to the green and red bars which appear at the top of each sector containing friendly and/or enemy. It simulates a country’s total air defense warning system of spotters and reports giving a general location of planes. The bars represent a rough count of the numbers of friendly (green bar) and enemy (red bar) who are flying above 500 feet above ground level (AGL) within that sector. There is no way to get an exact number from the bar-dar... the bigger the bar, the more enemy there are until the bar is all the way across the sector. A full bar across the top could be 10 or 100 enemy in the sector. Bar-dar is available for the entire map unless your headquarters has been damaged or destroyed.

[Vinkman]

Bar-DAR is farmer Fred, who has been assigned the job of spotting, or calling the base saying they saw planes.  It isn't radar, it isn't an intel operative, it is common folk. 



You going to sit here and tell me some 15 year old farmer's daughter can tell the difference between one country or another when every country flies the same plane?

How does he know they aren't friendly? Is he a spotter or not? If he can spot the difference between friendly and enemy, he can tell the difference between enemies. You are just being contrary.

[bustr]

Vinkman should get:
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1. Different colors for different countries dar dots.
2. Right click on a sector and an option for a list of names of all players with country designation in that sector.
3. Same as above but with alt, speed and heading.
4. A HUD that shows all of this in real time with his forward view all glass 360 degrees and a lead tracking pipper and jabo smart pipper.
5. An evasives button to auto run him to safety from cons.
6. A smart AI button for strategic bombing. Click on the map like Land Mode with 8 and 5 inch guns.
7. A Smart damage option that lets him trade perks for damage on the fly. To fix himslef or hurt nearest cons.
8. Country channel God mode to listen to all channels to catch spys and NOE missions.
9. Perk point trade for spawning a GV at a downed base for defence.
10. Perk point trade to airspawn at any altitiude anywhere on the map by right clicking on it and entering the altitiude.
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What do you say guys? Vinkman deserves what Vinkman wants....right........

[Vinkman]

Bustr,

I guess that's funny. Don't know if you meant it that way but that's a strange reply to someone posting in the wish list. Are you saying we're not supposed to ask for stuff?

I've made a case for the downside of single color enemies, and for the upside of two color enemies. You and LLogan have done neither, nor have you made a counterpoint for what the downside is.

Maybe you could.


Vinkman

[LLogann]

Now we are getting into semantics bro...  In no way, shape or form am I being contrary..... You however might have missed what I have now BOLDED.  3 109s go by, 1 Rook, 1 Knit, 1 Bish......... How does that fit into your equation?   Into this new BAR that you want compared to the way it is now?

How does he know they aren't friendly? Is he a spotter or not? If he can spot the difference between friendly and enemy, he can tell the difference between enemies. You are just being contrary.

can tell the difference between one country or another when every country flies the same plane?

And up until that last post I thought we were having a civilized discussion.  Not sure what Bustr is pissed at you for but apparently I have given you too much maturity for grouping the 2 convos together.  And not to be a total jerk, but all Bustr did was make light of your request.  You're the only one with the TUDE.  

You and LLogan have done neither, nor have you made a counterpoint for what the downside is.

.....If you need reasons think about what you lose.......  I see a 3 base area with all 3 owning 1 grid with 2 huge DAR-Bars, I get all excited with anticipation..... What is out there?  How many of those guys versus those other guys, do my countrymen need help or should I get in there and it's a free for all?  

You are trying to take away the mystery of it, and that cant be good for anybody.

.......you wanted a downside..............  

[Vinkman]

Llogan,

Apologies if I cam across as "tude" -ee. Not my intent at all.

I think you're saying my idea rated mocking instead of thoughtful discussion therefor it must be a lousy idea. I would be perfectly satisfied with it being a stupid idea, but when I read your replies, it's not clear that you understood the idea correctly. So I'm going to explain it again, and then if you think it's so stupid that no serious reply is warrented, I'll leave it be. 

I want 2 BARs not 3
We have two bars now, but one is for friendlies. What point is there in a friendly bar when all the friendly dots are visible anyway? Silly waste of a BAR quite frankly
The two bars would be changed from 1 "all enemy bar" and 1 friendly bar, to 2 enemy bars [one color for each.]  No friendly bar.

You brought up the spotter point about plane IDs. I didn't realize you were joking, so I tried to examine that line of reasoning. I don't, and never did think, the abilities of prospective actual spotters plays any real role in determining the Dar-Bar  formulation. The Dar Bar is there to keep people from wasting time and to speed up finding the action, without giving too much information about exact location, speed, type, alt. etc.

In keeping with the spirit of the Dar-Bar, just enough info is a better thing, than not enough info. I suggest that the problem isn't when the sides are all even. Then which ever side you switch to is fine. The problem is when I'm Knit, and there is no fight because the Rooks and Bish are fighting each other.   but it could be 30[rook] v 15[bish]. I can't tell because that's just a giant red dar bar in 3 connecting sectors. So I ponder and check the roster but it doesn't help me. So I guess Rook. Oops now It's 31 v15! And I'm stuck there for an hour. I think it would help keep fights more balanced and keep people from making mistakes when switching sides. The downside you mentioned of 'ruining the surprise' doesn't seem to outweight the benefits of not wasting an hour of MA time.

I hope that helps, and wasn't "tude" -ee

   Vinkman

[LLogann]

Now you just made me feel like I overreacted too much............   

And in this re-read, with the Rook fighting Bish example while a Knit, I can actually see the light at the end of this idea's tunnel.  Heck it might even add to what I described as "the mystery."

I'm at least a +1/2 now sir.  It isn't really all that bad an idea at all!   

[Vinkman]

Now you just made me feel like I overreacted too much............   

And in this re-read, with the Rook fighting Bish example while a Knit, I can actually see the light at the end of this idea's tunnel.  Heck it might even add to what I described as "the mystery."

I'm at least a +1/2 now sir.  It isn't really all that bad an idea at all!   

Well I'll be! 

Thank you sir.

[JDOD]

Some people still need the Allied Dar for NOE missions. yes we can watch our alt, but what if someone goes over 500Ft and they didn't check their alt. you would normally check the map and see them showing up on Dar. Maybe make it where you can have this Third Dar, Just the two enemy Dar Bars, or keep it how it is by going to the Map Check list or something.