German AC on the eastern front.

[JHerne]

The K-4 (mid Oct '44) entered service slightly before the G-10.

Right, but I was comparing G-10 to G-14 

[Die Hard]

Just have to love Milo blaming people for not reading his typos right... 

[MiloMorai]

Right, but I was comparing G-10 to G-14 

Yes, and I was just adding the K-4 to the time line.

[MiloMorai]

Just have to love Milo blaming people for not reading his typos right... 

What are you blathering about now?

[Imowface]

Right, but I was comparing G-10 to G-14 

if you want to compair the G-10 to G-14 you have to look at the K-4 aswell, where the K-4 was a newly built plane, the G-10 was a conversion of older 109's to bring them up to the standards of late war russian and american planes, the G-14 had losts of variants, but the G-10, being a mixture of parts had even more, the G-10 was almost Identical to the K-4 aside from the DF loop being closer to the front, and some minor differences, it had the dame DB 605 D engine, and the wings were almost Identical, so unless we are talking about a G-10 that was unlucky enough to have the old short vertical stab and rudder, the G-10 and K-4 would pretty much fly the same, so it isnt to crazy to sub the K-4 for a G-10 when compairing to the G-14

[Fencer51]

"The German counter-offensive in the Ardennes in December 1944 diverted them from the gathering storm in the east.  In spite of attempts by some of the higher command, Hitler refused to believe that the Russians were capable of launching another massive offensive.  German intelligence predicted a large offensive in the middle of January 1945.  The offensive was expected to be a drive by the Russians to break German will and ability to carry on the war.  The attack was to take the straightest route to Berlin.  This was through Warsaw and the 1st Byelorussian Front under Marshal Zukov, and the1st Ukrainian Front under Marshal Koniev were to lead the assault.  Their two fronts alone comprised 2.2 million men, 33,500 guns, 7,000 tanks and assault guns, and 5,000 aircraft.

Their mission was the destruction of Army Group A under Field Marshal Harpe.and the conquest of Poland. Harpe’s Army Group comprised 400,000 men, 1136 tanks and assault guns with 270 aircraft. Their aircraft stretched from the Vistula north of Warsaw to the Carpathian Mountains.  To the north of Army Group A was Army Group Center command by Field Marshal Reinhardt with 380,000 men, 700 tanks and assault guns and 515 aircraft.

The attack began on January 12.  The odds were distinctly against the Germans and the initial attacks punched holes in their lines all over the front.  The Russians broke through along 300 miles of front to a depth of 60 to 100 miles, shattering Army Group A.  The first phase ended on January 17, 1945 with the fall of Warsaw.

The weather initially was bad with low clouds, fog and poor visibility grounding aircraft on both sides.  When this changed the massive number of VVS aircraft launched horrific attacks on the retreating German armies.  Faced with the effects of this and the continuing offensive the German high command had no choice but to commit virtually all of the Home Defence Jagdgeschewader which had been operating against the American 8th Air Force to the battle in the east.  Several Geschwader of the Luftwaffe day fighter force were transferred to the Eastern Front.  These included JG 1, JG 3, JG 4, JG 6, JG 11 and JG 77.  This was to more than double the available aircraft from 800 to 1,800.  These reinforcements included 1,500 Bf 109s and Fw-190s many of which were the newer models that had seen little use on the eastern front.  These reinforcements are to set the stage for some of the largest air battles of the Eastern Front."

http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200910_redStormKruppSteel/redStorm2009.htm

Scenarios, Where History Comes Alive.

But for the actual battle described above and recreated for Scenarios about all the fighters you discussed except Me262s were deployed against the Soviets.

[MiloMorai]

if you want to compair the G-10 to G-14 you have to look at the K-4 aswell, where the K-4 was a newly built plane, the G-10 was a conversion of older 109's to bring them up to the standards of late war russian and american planes, the G-14 had losts of variants, but the G-10, being a mixture of parts had even more, the G-10 was almost Identical to the K-4 aside from the DF loop being closer to the front, and some minor differences, it had the dame DB 605 D engine, and the wings were almost Identical, so unless we are talking about a G-10 that was unlucky enough to have the old short vertical stab and rudder, the G-10 and K-4 would pretty much fly the same, so it isnt to crazy to sub the K-4 for a G-10 when compairing to the G-14

That is an old tale. Almost ALL G-10s were new construction.

[Imowface]

okay, let me clear it up, I shoudlnt have used "conversion" to describe the G-10, it was a mix match of parts, so it was never standardized, and failed at doing so just like the G-14