The Norm for Brewster Pilots.

[JunkyII]

Well after watching film you lost situational awareness when you climbed for Typh & Brewster jumped you. Then you tried to fight his fight with rolling scissors. Then you extend over 3.0k away & turned back for him & fly in to ack first to get him & he had already turned in to you & was heading away from base.Run-on AND AND AND....As stated in OP I know where my mistake was.

You had all the advantages with a more powerful aircraft & then you decided no matter what the Brew was going to go downI didnt have any other aircraft in the area going for ata kills. Out side of an attempted HO attempt by the Brewster I can't fault him at all it seems he wanted was to land & you kept coming back in to the ack to get him? I say he flew a smart fight.

Outside of your spud shots you just screwed up & then your going to cry about the UBER Brewster.

Sorry no sympathy on this film.Never asked for it, just want to see the Brews ENY brought down a bit

Also I love how you get a hard-on for my posts

[SlapShot]

Never asked for it, just want to see the Brews ENY brought down a bit

And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?

It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.

Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.

[Boozeman]

Id agree there are some that I would use...Mossie or KI61. The 30 ENY 109s have garbage guns unless you take the gondolas which dramatically effects their preformance. Mossie is a harder plane to learn for most because its Big and very easy to hit, KI61 has the accel problem which will give you the same problem as a Brew where you cant get out of a fight unless your still at the advantage.

Intresting assessment of some planes there. The question is, do you think the Brewster is a better all round plane than those you mentioned? 

[Ack-Ack]

I dont know, I feel like the abilities of the Brew exaggerate the dweeb tactics. I was trying to show why I dislike Brewsters, kinda like Spit 16s where the learning curve isnt as steep so the newer pilots jump in them.I do have pretty crappy SA, working on that. I did do the bolded part of the quote above.

The only thing you showed in the film was someone's dweebish flying habits in a Brewster and not whether or not the plane itself needs to have the ENY adjusted.  That person flying the Brewster would have done the same no matter what plane they were in.  Another case of "its the pilot and not the plane" although for different reasons.


ack-ack

[Guppy35]

And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?

It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.

Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.

Isn't that the truth.  Spoken as one who just can't resist turning fights and dies to FM2s and Brewsters when the urge can't be overcome to turn!

[JunkyII]

The only thing you showed in the film was someone's dweebish flying habits in a Brewster and not whether or not the plane itself needs to have the ENY adjusted.  That person flying the Brewster would have done the same no matter what plane they were in.  Another case of "its the pilot and not the plane" although for different reasons.


ack-ack

A spit 16 wont be able to whip around like a Brew to HO you...or be able to saddle up as easy on a plane already being ganged(not shown in film)

And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?

It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.

Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.

People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.

Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).

Intresting assessment of some planes there. The question is, do you think the Brewster is a better all round plane than those you mentioned? 

Mossie has already had some other people want the eny to be lowered on it. If someone can kill quickly in a fight a Mossie is very deadly. Also has the ord which arent great but better the nothing.

Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really  have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)

[NOT]

Ki61 ......................  Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really  have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)

And what exactly does the brew have that makes it not deserve 30 eny??? Slow, light gun package, slow, moderate climb, slow, light gun package, slow.......................di d I miss anything??? The only 2 things it does really well is dive, and turn. So, dont turn with it, and dont let it get an alt advantage on you. 




NOT

[SWkiljoy]

Roping them is the only thing that works in an F4U for me.  Either a standard rope or go up and flat turn at the top and wait for the Brewster to come up and try for the shot, then get him on while he's really slow.  Need some cooperation from the Brewster for it though

I did this exact same tactic just yesterday in my F4U-1A, in fact i try this maneuver a lot on the turn and burn planes as it works quite well if u have the initial speed advantage 

[Ack-Ack]

A spit 16 wont be able to whip around like a Brew to HO you...or be able to saddle up as easy on a plane already being ganged(not shown in film)
People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.

All you are describing are pilot flying/fighting habits and not anything related as to why you think the ENY needs to be adjusted.  Again, it's not the Brewster that forces the pilot to turn around and force a HO merge, it's not the Brewster that makes the player dive to the acks for cover.  Though I will say it is the Brewster that makes you whine a whole Hell of a lot.

Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).Mossie has already had some other people want the eny to be lowered on it. If someone can kill quickly in a fight a Mossie is very deadly. Also has the ord which arent great but better the nothing.

You have utterly failed to show why the Brewster needs to have the ENY adjusted.  You should really do yourself a favor and chalk this thread up to some late night angst after a fight with a Brewster didn't go your way.  The only result of this thread is it makes you look like nothing more than a typical player whining about a plane that he has a tough time shooting down.

Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really  have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)

Actually, the Ki-61s high speed performance isn't all that good.  Sure, it can dive fast but control is very sluggish and maneuverability poor at high speeds.  It's performance at low speeds is really nothing more than average, not as maneuverable as a Zeke and it really only has a small speed window where it's turn performance is good, at high and low speeds as I mentioned is just an average turner.  Quite frankly, at least in regards to US planes the Ki-61 is significantly out matched by most of the US fighters.  Not surprising the ENY is at 30 but not for the reasons you stated.

ack-ack

[SlapShot]

People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.

Nope ... I wouldn't agree. I have been flying the FM2 as my main ride for at least the past 3 years (if not more). It's the Brewster's big brother and does everything just a little bit better than the Brew with the exception of turning and it too is a "perk farmer".

I have earned 10's of thousands of perks flying the FM2 only by enticing people to fight it within its best fight envelope ... same goes for the Brewster. To lose to a Brewster is only because one made a outright mistake or one got suckered into fighting on its terms ... but that is true of all planes.

Those that may be using it as a "perk farmer" are most likely newbs wanting to get into a perk plane and they should be childs play to beat, if encountered. Now ... if you run into a decent stick in a Brewster, like Wmaker, who genuflects at the sight of a Brewster ... they hardly need to fly the Brewster to farm perks. They are most likely flying it because they LIKE it.

Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).

I doubt it for the reasons stated above. Most of my encounters against the Brewster are when we are attacking their field. The Brewster is an excellent plane for base defense.

Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really  have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)

About 6 years ago, I spend quite a bit of time in the Ki61 and killed many a Spit thinking it was an easy/automatic kill. I called it the "Japanese Spit" back then ... it had very good slow speed handling. Loved the plane until HTC changed its flight model and its slow speed handling went out the window. It is still a capable killer in the right hands.

[JunkyII]

And what exactly does the brew have that makes it not deserve 30 eny??? Slow, light gun package, slow, moderate climb, slow, light gun package, slow.......................di d I miss anything??? The only 2 things it does really well is dive, and turn. So, dont turn with it, and dont let it get an alt advantage on you. 




NOT

4 M2s isnt a bad gun package....Alt advantage can sometimes be hard to keep unless you fly like Chalenge

Nope ... I wouldn't agree. I have been flying the FM2 as my main ride for at least the past 3 years (if not more). It's the Brewster's big brother and does everything just a little bit better than the Brew with the exception of turning and it too is a "perk farmer".

Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?

[Muzzy]

I flew both the Brew and the FM2 in my 1st month and had a lot of decent success with them. (Even shot down Ak Ak once or twice, but he was distracted at the time and has paid me back in full with interest).  Again, the attraction was being able to fight down on the deck in a turn fight and take down the odd Spit or 38 simply by out turning them, or getting a very lucky deflection shot on a 51 or La as they zoomed by.

I'd say classic bnz or slashing tactics will always work on a Brew. Almost any plane can dictate the engagement because the Brew is not going anywhere.  Just keep making passes at him until he makes a mistake or runs out of e.

If there is one thing that could be fixed with the Brew model I would say it's the toughness factor.  If the Fins took out the pilot armor should it not be more susceptible to pilot wounds or 1 shot brain spatter kills? 

[Melvin]

"genuflects at the sight of a Brewster"

Great word. Rarely used anymore.

<S> Melvin

[SlapShot]

Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?

The American version, the Buffalo, failed miserably for the Navy and was quickly replaced by the more capable Grumman F4F/FM2.

It's higher K/D would most likely be due to all the attention that it is getting on the Forums and being used a lot (primarily) for base defense. I doubt very strongly that Brewster are out there "hunting", in any numbers, to justify its K/D ... whatever that may be.

[AWwrgwy]

Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?

They are actually almost identical, unless a .03-.05 difference is bigger than I think....

The American version, the Buffalo, failed miserably for the Navy and was quickly replaced by the more capable Grumman F4F/FM2.

The Brewster was being replaced as the war began, hence only actually seeing action in the hands of the U.S. Navy, specifically the Marines, at Midway.

Facing the same situations and odds as the Brewster in the Pacific, outnumbered by more seasoned and experienced pilots, Mustangs probably would have fared as well.


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