Savage Arms Rifle's?

[mbailey]

I am the same way, personally i dont like the .243 for deer. I prefer a heavier bullet with much more energy transfer into the animal.

[mbailey]

mines the 1952 Husky mbailey my dad bought it new when he was overseas then shipped it home, Ive had it now for about 20 years, i shoot real hot loads sense its real open country where i hunt in Oregon, and I'm not kidding it blows fire 4ft out the barrel, kicks worse than a 300 weatherby mag but i love the gun, it's considered 95% factory shape i have babied this gun sense it means alot to me, same original Leupold 3x12 scope, which i sent back 2 years ago and they rebuilt it and sent it back  ( no charge from leupold they also installed a the MiliDot crosshairs with the rebuild because they didnt make the original crosshairs anymore)

Well ill be darned,   Mine is also circa mid 50s. It was my dads and when he passed away 3yrs ago it came to me.
Ive worked at a gunshop/indoor range for years, and everytime i tell someone that one of my favorite rifles is my Husky, I get the " you mean like the chainsaw?" comment. ( i wish they had a "smack" emoticon to insert here )
I know what you mean by the kick, mine has a nice sharp crack to the shoulder if im shooting my 220gr Barnes reloads.

[Flench]

Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..

[68ZooM]

Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..

they repair ALL there scopes free of charge, they told me they havent seen a scope like mine in over 50 years lol

[Vulcan]

Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..

Meh gimme a Nikon....

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

You must be a really bad shot?

You must really have no idea what you're talking about.

[Babalonian]

Americans.

Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.

  

That's right, just don't druel on our guns while you're at it.

[Flench]

And don't forget to have a custom belt made like I did when you get your rifle  . Notice the compass holder on it , giving away my age now , lol . That belt came in really handy through the year's ..[Reminder]need ammo 

[Vulcan]

You must really have no idea what you're talking about.

Well I must be a really good shot then

[Plawranc]

Lol, I make a joke which is followed by a thumbs up which means I approve of it.

And I am being attacked for it, 

I will try not to drool on them, but they are soo pretty!

[kamori]

What are you hunting? If your hunting w/ it

Kam

[Jayhawk]

Lol, I make a joke which is followed by a thumbs up which means I approve of it.

And I am being attacked for it, 

I will try not to drool on them, but they are soo pretty!

  I knew you were because you were talking about becoming a U.S. citizen so you could buy your own 'overpowered excessive firearms' in another thread.

 

[mtnman]

The .270 is a great cartridge!  Buy one, and you'll love it!

Not that long ago it was considered more than adequate for anything that walked in North America.  Then other cartridges became popular, and now it's deemed by some to be too weak for long shots, or for large game.

In reality, all you need to do is poke a little hole in an animal in the right place, and it's gonna die quite quickly.  Accuracy kills animals.  Power is secondary.  To be fair, power can make up for a slight deficiency in accuracy (and maybe let you try again).  Then again, accuracy can make up for a large deficiency in power...

I've owned and shot loads of rifles and lots of calibers, and the .270 is my hands-down favorite (although the 22-250 is a close second)!  It's an easily available, affordable cartridge, with gobs of possibilities when it comes to reloading (just like the 30-06).

The difference between a .270 and a .30-06 is marginal at most ranges.  The .270 goes a bit quicker, and flies a bit flatter, which helps if you're not spot-on with range estimation.  The 30-06 hits a bit harder, but not enough to really matter, at least on anything near realistic ranges.  In the end, it all comes down to that accurately placed little hole...  Side-by-side, it comes down to personal preference, the difference is not enough to really matter for the vast majority of shots.  Actually, I can't think of a single instance where it would matter.  But, maybe...

I shoot my rifles out to 550 yards on the range (actually, behind the house).  Although I've moved past that point in my life, I've reached way out and made clean kills on mule deer, whitetail, and antelope at ranges I'd never dream of shooting anymore.  I made a clean, quick, one-shot (low-lung and top of heart) shot on a mule deer buck at over 600yds, and antelope at over 450 yards with the .270.  Whitetails at 300-350yds are no problem at all.  Personally, if I was going to hunt bear, elk, or buffalo with a center-fire, I'd do it with the .270 but I'd get inside 200 yards and wait for a good, clean, broadside or quartering-away shot.  I wouldn't necessarily use the same BULLET for those animals, but I'd use the same rifle...  The .270 doesn't lack for power in reality.  On paper, it has less power than the magnums, which might matter if you hunt elephants or similarly-sized critters.  I'd argue instead that the Magnums are ridiculous for most North American animals.  But some guys like 'em, so let 'em have 'em.  To each his own.  Animals shot with a xxxMag aren't any deader than they are with a .270.

Again, I wouldn't make those long shots anymore, mainly because I don't find I'm interested in the long-range facets of hunting anymore.  I prefer the (different) challenge of close-range hunting with flintlocks rifles and longbows.  I'm also more experienced, and more concerned with the things that can go wrong on those long shots.  There's plenty of time for a standing, stationary animal to simply take a step after you've pulled the trigger, turning a great shot into a horrible mess.  Or a gust of wind, or almost anything else...  There was a time though, when I thought getting something, anything at all was the most important facet.  I also thought long shots were fun, rewarding, and challenging.  They are, but paper (or steel) works fine for that.  Now, I use the flintlock to hunt, and the .270 to grocery shop.

If you're looking for accuracy, I'd go for a bolt action, and I wouldn't be put off by a Savage (my bro-in-law owns several, and likes them).  I like Winchester and Remington, but the deciding factor is going to be YOU, not the rifle.  Matching the bullet to the rifle is important, and a good scope is a must.  If money is a factor, spend less on the rifle, spend more on the scope.  Realistically, you won't be as accurate as the rifle is, unless you're a well-practiced marksman.  Even then, a good shot can make almost any rifle look good, where a great rifle in poor hands will appear to shoot terrible.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The average shooter is not prepared or practiced well enough to take 200+ yard shots at game in the field. In fact, 90% of the time the vast majority of hunters in the field are not capable of getting reliable one shot kills at ranges in excess of 150 yards. I know this from being involved in wildlife management in various forms over the years. I've checked at least 3 times as many poorly shot animals as I have well shot animals. And the vast majority talk about their long range expertise, but when the chips are down, the animal suffers excessively. There's a reason that a lot of states have a minimum caliber allowed for hunting medium and larger game. The people who write those rules are not stupid. They live and breathe wildlife management, and they see the results of a less than ideal shot with a barely adequate cartridge. They see it all season long, every day.

By all means, back in the days of Jack O'Connor, a 270 was quite adequate. With proper shot placement, it still is. Therein lies the problem. The key phrase being "proper shot placement".

Until I see in person, or am given reliable evidence of, a person's shooting skills, I'm going to suggest a cartridge with enough margin to assure a clean kill as often as possible in the hands of the average shooter.

I can certainly shoot well enough to take a deer or other medium size game animal at over 300 yards with my 270.

I refuse to lie to myself or anyone else, and say that the correct conditions for a good clean 300+ yard shot with a 95%+ chance of success are common. Anyone who says they are is only fooling themselves, and making animals suffer for their ego.

I have rifles from 22 LR up to 300 Winchester Magnum, I always choose the one that assures an adequate margin to account for less than ideal conditions, in order to assure a quick clean kill with one shot on the animal being hunted in the area of the hunt.

A slight gust in the wind that you cannot see or feel, a shift in wind direction or speed halfway to the animal, a sudden twitch or step, or a change in stance. Any of those can cause a shot that many "marksman" are sure was a perfect shot to miss, maybe entirely. The shooter doesn't suffer, but the animal may.

Like my former squad mate in the post above, I now often hunt with more primitive weapons, black powder or archery. My wisdom and my conscience now have me hunting for the pleasure of enjoying nature, and making sure the game never suffers because of my need to prove anything. I have nothing to prove, to anyone, as to how far I can shoot. I've killed deer, boar, and bear, at 100 yards plus with a 44 Magnum. I'm older now, and hopefully, a little wiser. My ego no longer requires me to take those shots.

[Flench]

mtnman , Captain Virgil Hilts  , nicely done .
My father live and breathe deer hunting with dog's and I love it Had a deer camp for year's .My job was when the  buck tries to across an open field  (up to 500 yard's long)is not to let him get across and catch the dog's . So some time's it is hard to get a proper shot on him. Why I carry an extra clip .
Vulcan said something about a guy killing 2 deer in one shot . I have done that too with my 270 . Never even seen the small deer running on his side or I would not have shot the deer , they were running wide open through the wood's . When I shot him it look like they split apart and fell ..that's a once in a live time thing for sure . I shot the Rem 30-06 for year's though and it cost me more deer than you can believe because of there bad nature of jamming but kill a pot load with it too . The guy's in our club shot all kind's of rifle's and it comes down to the 270 and the 243 from what I have seen in my past 40 year's of hunting deer down here in MS .
I would like to have a BAR in a 243 now , that would be sweet ..
Oh , and I have found that a 100 grain 270 kill's better than the 140 grain for some reason . Look's to me you would have more knock down power with the 140 lead but have found that most of the time it goes through the deer because it's so fast where the 100 grain does it's job .
I still love killing deer like I did when I was 14 but for the last 2 year's I have been doing more videoing of them than anything .My dog's are to old to run now and they will be my last pack . Be stand hunting only now and am very picky in what I shoot .