More models of existing multi-role airframes

[Karnak]

Currently Aces High has two multi-role airframes in the game, but between the two of them there are only three models. I would like to see both families extended to better represent the variety and duration of their service in WWII.

For the Ju88, I would like to see it updated to Aces High 2 standards and for three additional Ju88 or Ju88 based aircraft to be added.  All of them would retain the Ju88's robust airframe while bringing other aspects of the Ju88's capabilities to the game.

Ju88C-6: An early Ju88 fighter armed with MG/FF 20mm cannons.
Ju88G-7: A later Ju88 fighter with much higher performance, armed with MG151/20s, and sometimes with a Schrage Musik installation.
Ju188A-1: A substantially improved bomber developed from the Ju88, carrying the same bombload as the Ju88A-4, but much faster and better defended.


For the Mosquito we don't have to worry about an update, but there are several additional versions which would add nicely to the game.

Mosquito F.Mk II: This would not need a new 3D model, the Mk VI's model being visually the same, would be the early Mosquito fighter with lower performance due to Merlin 21 engines, no bombs and a weaker wing than the Mk VI.
Mosquito B.Mk IV: This is the early war Mosquito bomber.  It is slower than the Mk XVI and can only carry four 250lb or four 500lb bombs.  Like the Mk II it has an earlier wing that is not as strong as the wing introduced on the Mk VI.
Mosquito NF.Mk 30: This is the ultimate Mosquito fighter of the war and while it is slower down low than the Mk VI, it is much, much faster at altitude.  It lacks a bomb bay, being limited to two 500lb bombs or two drop tanks on the wings.  The four .303s are omitted in favor of a bull nose with radar (not asking for avionics to be modeled) instead.  While it was a night fighter, it also saw use during daylight operations on many occasions.


Adding these aircraft would give a better feeling as to why these two airframes stood out as different in a time when very few airframes proved to be capable of being effective multi-role units.

Also, being able to recreate one of the dogfights between escorting Mosquito FB.Mk VIs and defending Ju88 fighters sounds like a lot of fun to me.  It is the only place I can think of where dogfights happened between big twin engined fighters without interference from their smaller, more agile single engined brethren.

[Karnak]

There are a number of multi-role aircraft that are not yet in the game.  When they are added, it would be nice to get at least the fighter and bomber versions of the Me410, P1Y and Pe-2.

[Krusty]

Ju-88A-1 had less horsepower, less wing area, less defensive armaments.

Meaning it had slower climb, worse performance at alt, less guns to defend. I doubt that qualifies as "better speed, better defensive capabilities," and since it was a precursor I don't think "substantially improved" correctly desrcribes it.


As for night fighters, I maintain (still) that they have no place in Aces High. To play a game designed around night fighters is to play a totally different game. Everything from long missions and navigational errors, tracking your blips on your scope, playing a cat and mouse game...

It's more Silent Hunter, or Metal Gear, than it is Aces High. It just doesn't work.

[Karnak]

Ju-88A-1 had less horsepower, less wing area, less defensive armaments.

I didn't say Ju88A-1.  I said Ju188A-1.

As for night fighters, I maintain (still) that they have no place in Aces High. To play a game designed around night fighters is to play a totally different game. Everything from long missions and navigational errors, tracking your blips on your scope, playing a cat and mouse game...

It's more Silent Hunter, or Metal Gear, than it is Aces High. It just doesn't work.

Not a single aircraft I listed failed to see service during daylight operations in the roles it was built for.



Krusty,

Trying at least reading a post before you go negative nanny on it.

[Pigslilspaz]

I have always been a big fan of more variants.

+1 for all of them

[RTHolmes]

all good

chuck in the Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII too since we're doing the mossies

how about the transport versions of some buffs too as an alternative for the dakota? eg. the Mitchell was used as a transport. and maybe PBY versions with torps etc, the B-24 definitely had one.

[cobia38]

  Try 3 karnak, not 2, you forgot the A-20s p-70 veriant.  The p-70 was responsable for the first USAAF night fighter victory.


 ""
    The first squadron to use the P-70 in combat was the 6th Night Fighter Squadron, which received its first aircraft in September 1942. At first it operated from Hawaii, but early in 1943 two detachments moved to Guadalcanal and New Guinea, taking the P-70 into combat.

Detachment “B” was first to go, moving to Guadalcanal in February 1943. Its job was to protect the Marines against an increasing number of Japanese night intruder raids, on 19 April 1941 Captain Earl C. Bennet and radio operator Edwin E. Tomlinson scored the USAAF’s first night fighter victory when they shot down a Mitsubishi G4M Betty. A second victory, over a biplane float-plane, followed on 16 August 1943, before on 15 November the detachment was joined by the 419th Night Fighter Squadron. By that point most of the detachment’s P-70s had been swapped for P-38s, while the 419th NFS used its P-70s as intruders, flying offensive sorties over Japanese held territory ""

  but since we dont have night time anymore it would be on the bottom of the list.
  however there should be an 4X20mm + 2 .50 in the chin  version of the G we have now,after all it did see service in the east front,and should be a hanger option.

   

[LLogann]

Don't let him both you Karnak, you're 100% right on....  Great idea!

We could use more of both Junkers, we NEED more Mossie's too! 

[cooldued]

We could use more of both Junkers, we NEED more Mossie's too! 

yeah why do we have so many spits and 109s? well i suppose they where the main fighter's used in the European theater, but still all the other planes got left out.