Need for Localized ENY

[NCLawman]

BTW, I don't want to criticize, but there are plenty of other aircraft options for porking besides a P-51.

I wasn't actually trying to up a pony to go porking.  My intent, as noted on the first post, was to up and defend from the swarms of bombers that were attacking with impunity.  The P51 reference was quaoting the other brain-donor who tried to take a thread about one issue and turn it into a "You should play how I tell you to", Horde recruiting session.

And, I do see the localized ENY issue as a potential solution to the 'double team' problem.  But clearly a side that may have the highest single numbers should not be inhibited by ENY if the other two countries are essentially fighting as 1.  A localized ENY (in theory) would recognize that and allow the lone defender team to up defensible planes.

[Rino]

Logged on (Late War) to find that BISH are getting steamrolled on two fronts.  Rooks and Knits have once again decided to have an extra-marital affair rather than fight each other.  The Knit horde attacking from the south and the Rook attacking from the west.  Rooks are able to fly bombers right into BISH HQ and Knits are rolling bases in the south.

Go to a nearby base to get a fighter for some bomber lunch, and find that ENY is so high, BISH CANNOT defend.  BISH getting double team pounced, but are plagued by ENY???   Please help me understand how THAT is good for the game?

 


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     Apparently the Bish Pocket Adolfs need more practice.  You have more pilots <to the point where you claim ENY
doesn't "allow" you to defend>, but are still getting kicked to the curb?  Oh well.

[NCLawman]

     Apparently the Bish Pocket Adolfs need more practice.  You have more pilots <to the point where you claim ENY
doesn't "allow" you to defend>, but are still getting kicked to the curb?  Oh well.

And your point is ...   ???????       

[Jayhawk]

    Apparently the Bish Pocket Adolfs need more practice.  You have more pilots <to the point where you claim ENY
doesn't "allow" you to defend>, but are still getting kicked to the curb?  Oh well.

You seem to have ignored what this is talking about, or you didn't read it.

If the numbers look something like this:

Knits: 100 Players
Rooks: 100 Players
Bish: 140 Players ENY: ~10, whatever.

Bish have the numbers, yes, but if the Rooks and Knits aren't fighting at all the numbers are more like 200 Players v. 140 Players who are also dealing with an ENY.

[bj229r]

Well, there it is.... the answer I have been looking for.  After all these years of AH, I never knew I could join a mission and be a part of a horde.     Also, thank for teaching me how to read the AH clipboard map.  I also have never learned that task, and now that you have explained it, I will sleep much better at night.  

I don't want to fly in a mission (using your numbers) with 56.25 people.  What exactly am I going to shoot at with 55.25 other BISH flying around?

The point of the thread, was that I COULD NOT up a P51 and go porking because the ENY was so high as BISH were apparently the high numbers.  However, the high numbers were outweighed by the fact they were being double teamed.  

Maybe instead of being an armchair general, you should go back to the bathroom and finish popping the zits on your face.  If your missions are anything like what you describe above from Nathan Bedford Forrest, that is why you can't get anyone to join you.  As you said, its your $14.95, but I fail to see the fun in flying where the only risk of death is from the killshooter.

 

I'm troubled. I normally don't agree with cops on ANYthing....



(they just gave us 70 mph on I-81...troopies HATE it )

[NCLawman]

You seem to have ignored what this is talking about, or you didn't read it.

If the numbers look something like this:

Knits: 100 Players
Rooks: 100 Players
Bish: 140 Players ENY: ~10, whatever.

Bish have the numbers, yes, but if the Rooks and Knits aren't fighting at all the numbers are more like 200 Players v. 140 Players who are also dealing with an ENY.

Well said, Jay.  >salute<   Thank you   (Of course, it was funnier before you edited out the last line.     )

[Jayhawk]

Well said, Jay.  >salute<   Thank you   (Of course, it was funnier before you edited out the last line.     )

  I decided it wasn't worth it.

[Rino]

You seem to have ignored what this is talking about, or you didn't read it.

If the numbers look something like this:

Knits: 100 Players
Rooks: 100 Players
Bish: 140 Players ENY: ~10, whatever.

Bish have the numbers, yes, but if the Rooks and Knits aren't fighting at all the numbers are more like 200 Players v. 140 Players who are also dealing with an ENY.

       ENY 10 is no big deal, and if all 100 are attacking bishland <very doubtful> you still have almost 70 a side to
fight them off.  I still say boo hoo.  Of course you could always mob up and pound one side while ignoring the other.
Then the other guys could come in here and 

[falcon23]

DOnt make the after hours arena a SMALL MAP..EVER

[Jayhawk]

       ENY 10 is no big deal, and if all 100 are attacking bishland <very doubtful> you still have almost 70 a side to
fight them off.  I still say boo hoo.  Of course you could always mob up and pound one side while ignoring the other.
Then the other guys could come in here and 

Alright, I'll try this one more time.  The example was not specific, just some random numbers, no need to nitpick the numbers.  Also, if it's unlikely that all 100 on one side are attacking, then it is also unlikely that all 70 on the other side are defending.

The point is that on occasion, one side (doesn't matter which side) is outnumbered and has an ENY, which is counterproductive of the point of ENY.  You can't deny that it happens.  Personally, I'm not yet convinced it happens enough to warrant a change, some guys in here are.

IMO, this thread has been mostly productive so far, I see very little whining in here.

[crazyivan]

I'm not sure how that should change anything in regard to this thread's topic?  

I'm sure we could make a pie chart with our idea as the answer.

[Karnak]

Removing ENY entirely would have the same effect.  There is no way to have both localized ENY and a penalty for out numbering the other sides.

[R 105]

Well NCLawman you are not going get local ENY smart boy. So the only solution to hordes are bigger hordes. I am retired from the Army and not once did I ever hear anyone say, I sure hope we don't out number the enemy attacking us. But if you think ENY is the only problem then there is your problem.

[crazyivan]

Well NCLawman you are not going get local ENY smart boy. So the only solution to hordes are bigger hordes. I am retired from the Army and not once did I ever hear anyone say, I sure hope we don't out number the enemy attacking us. But if you think ENY is the only problem then there is your problem.

Horde the horde with a larger hoard. Got to love that cartoon logic. epic furball

[oTRALFZo]

Ill say it agian:

Landing damage points in buffs has somewhat solved the issue of the bomb and bail guys.  Why waste time after dropping ords to have to land with no incentive?

Noone has incentive to put themselves in a disadvantage. Why up off a capped feild? why fight a horde?

Give incentive to guys that overcome situations "XXX survived a 4vs1". Again a coding nightmare, but players would potentially work harder for their kill when they have something to shoot for