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Offline mrsid2

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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2001, 05:06:00 PM »
Hey Gunthr I'm really glad to hear that gave you some extra fps. Now just make sure you don't use those shooting me down u hear?  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »
wth

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Offline Gunthr

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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2001, 08:50:00 PM »
Mr. Ripley
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im afraid i can't do that, mr. rip.    ;)
(Space Odyssey mode off)

Kieren, thanks, I won't worry about the 3dmarks too much then.

Re Win2k, I like it a lot. Its somewhat different from Win98.

First, the bad: If you have some older programs or peripherals, you may be upgrading them into obselescence. For instance, my scanner has only limited functionality in Win2k. My Sisoft Sandra program is the one for Win98, so I had to upgrade that. I found Win2k to be a tad slower in AH, compared to Win98. Win2k also seems to be pickier about video drivers. Win2k takes a looooong time to boot up. It doesn't use DOS, which I miss.

The good:
Wow, is it ever stable. It is very smooth. It doesn't make you restart anywhere near as much when doing installations. A lot of things seem like they just install on their own, behind the scenes, with no imput from you, like my MS joystick. If you download and try a lot of programs like I do, Win2k will not let a wild program change critical settings that would have crashed the whole system in the past. The Internet seems to be smoother, faster. Win2k gives you a choice between FAT, FAT32 and NTFS file systems. (*I'm on NTFS) As the Administrator of the Win2k op sys, you can set limitations on other users. The Win2k environment seems "professional" and solid.

Of course, Win2k will allow you to have both op systems on your hard drive, as long as you started with Win98. Istallation is standard, but takes a little longer because Win2k is big. It will wizard you through the hd partioning and file system choices. The duel booting works absolutely great. Just after the post, you can choose which operating system you want, and your choice will boot up normally. I still have Win98 on my machine, but the only thing on it is my scanner and whatever is necessary for me to use it. We use Win2k for all else.

I would definately pick Win2k over WinMe if you are upgrading. If I knew more about WinXE, I could give you a better answer, but I don't know anything about XE. I would say, if you arn't having a lot of problems with Win98, keep it for a while. If you are having probs, or its time to reformat anyway, you would enjoy Win2k.

*If you go to Win2k and you duel boot, keep  both systems FAT32 so you can move files back and forth between operating systems. I messed up when I made Win2k NTFS because I can't move the scanner files from Win98 to Win2k. And once you change to NTFS, you can't go back to FAT32 - I'll have to wait for a reformat.

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2001, 09:16:00 PM »
Just another bit of amusing information!

Asus 32MB Geforce 2 card installed -
2323 3DMARKS

Evga 64MB Geforce 2 card installed -
ONLY 1294 3dMARKS

Regards,

Justin

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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2001, 11:15:00 PM »
I went ahead and popped over to Win2K, NTFS. Like you said, a bit slower in AH, but the stability should more than make up for it. I don't like that my analog CH Pro Throttle cannot be programmed anymore, but that is the price of progress.

The whole discussion is moot to a point, you know; Microsoft apparently has announced it will discontinue 98 support soon. This gives us a limited period of time to migrate, so I might as well get it over with. As I had only just last weekend completed my rig, I didn't have much to lose by upgrading anyway.  ;)

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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2001, 01:59:00 AM »
Pand,

Still sounds tad too low..

However, it shouldnt be that big difference between those two cards.
MX with 64mb doesn't really give that much better results than 32mb.
You should of rather bought non-MX GF2 or GF3, that would had given far bigger boost compared to either MX's.

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2001, 06:22:00 AM »
If that 64Mb MX is a DDR model, it's actually slower than normal MX. DDR memory is wasted with MX since it can't use the full bandwith. Added with higher latency of DDR, the end result is a slower card.

DDR MX cards are the biggest sham in the recent markets.

Fishu: I get 2300 3DMark2001 points with MX200 also, how much do you get then?

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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2001, 02:09:00 PM »
Here in Moscow we have "no-name" GF2MX cards that are in fact a remarked or "hacked" (VGA BIOS patched) TNT-2.

I usually supply "brand-name" videos for my clients. I have never heard about "Evga" as a video card manufacturer. Look for a "made in Сhina" label on it. Anyway, if you bought a whole system - go to the guys that sold it to you and make a good scandal. You'll have your nervous relaxation, make them understand that service is not a honey, and probably solve your problem.

If the card is indeed a fake - you can expect that bastards to present you a new GF3 for free.

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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2001, 01:46:00 AM »
What is this, the let me brag about my computer setup forum? Ok, I'll buy that!   :)
When you spend as much money as I have on computer equipment, you should get to brag about it at least.  hehehe  Here goes:

Computer 1:

  Pentium 3  450 Mhz
              64 MB RAM
              Voodoo 3 with 8 mb
              17 inch monitor
              2 Harmann Karden speakers

Computer 2:
 
  Pentium 4  1.5 Ghz
               1 GB RAM
               Geforce 3 with 64 mb
               19 inch monitor
               santa cruz sound card
               full surround sound speakers
               (4 speakers with subwoofer)
               cable modem
               microsoft sidewinder joystick
On version 1.08 of AH I almost never got below 70 fps anywhere.
Now I usually range from 55-65 fps.
Occasionally I still get into the 70s.  I have never seen less than 48 fps anywhere anytime, not even under clouds, in smoke, in the middle of a furball, close to the ground!

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2001, 12:00:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Pand:
I just bought a new system.
Here's the specs:

AMD 1800+XP CPU
ECS K7S5A Motheboard
512MB DDR PC2100
Evga NVidia GEFORCE2 MX 64MB
Windows 2000

In aces high, I get the same framerate that I used to get with my old
Pentium 800mhz with Asus Geforce2 MX 32MB.  It sure seems like a hell of a waste of money.  Any suggestions?  I did a benchmark test through 3dMARK2001 and I only got 1294 3dmarks.  This is disturbing.    :mad:

Please HELP!  What can I do to fix THIS??

Regards,

Justin (Pand)

remove POS gf2 mx card (the pathetically weak link in your hi end system)

insert geforce 3 ti500

new score will jump from 2000 to over 7000 in 3dmark2001   :)

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2001, 12:39:00 AM »
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insert geforce 3 ti500

new score will jump from 2000 to over 7000 in 3dmark2001    :)

Is that really true, one can expext a jump like that from that card?
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2001, 12:55:00 AM »
Yes ammo its really true. Geforce2 MX sucks. It's just as fast as the old geforce 256 SDR 2 years ago.

Calling it geforce 2 is a marketing trick basically.