just was getting some more thoughts uhoh.............two arena's, set up like i was saying.......the mission based arena you can see missions from all sides, basic info like what planes, what targets, perks earned, enough info to deside what you want to fly, no cross coms.....ya i know some will use ventrillo but that would be considerd cheating, this ''war'' arena, vulching, hourding, NOE would all be common for thats what happens in a war, the other arena would be more around the furballing gving bombing for fun and practice for the ''war'' vulching would be immpossable more ack at field, hording would be immpossable due to zone ENY, at least make those two espects much harder or just plain not worth it, like if you are the only green you get exponentialy more perks, if you are one of the many green you get much less points for a kil,l numbers being equal then points awarded as they are now. again every plane, gv, bomber,cost perks, in the war arena perks are not involved in what mission you can join.