Anti Air Guns

[Ping]

I am a poor pilot yet I can manage to kill auto acks on the fields on a regular basis.

There are times I will take out 2 on a single pass.  This flying an A5.

What I do not do is fly the length of the field to minimize exposure time.

Is it possible its your tactics?

[curry1]

someone posted awhile back about the amount of 5" 20mm 37mm 20cal etc fired on navy ships to the amount of aircraft destroyed.  It was a lot of rounds (30,000 rounds of 20mm per plane) and few kills.

[Ack-Ack]

someone posted awhile back about the amount of 5" 20mm 37mm 20cal etc fired on navy ships to the amount of aircraft destroyed.  It was a lot of rounds (30,000 rounds of 20mm per plane) and few kills.

After WW2, the USN took the numbers of all the 5" AA rounds fired and statistically averaged out that it took 1,000 rounds per plane kill.  Not that it actually took 1,000 rounds to kill a plane, but that was the statistical average.  Again, this in no way validates or confirms the OP's original whine..err wish that ack of any kind in AH is too powerful. 

The only real issue with the any of the acks is how the puffy acks track the target in regards to being able to track and fire at planes that flying are flying on the other side of a mountain that is between the plane and the fleet.  There is nothing wrong with the lethality levels of any of the AAA guns and those that claim there is are the ones that are using piss poor tactics and are paying the price.  Basically, these whines..err wishes to tone down the lethality of the AAA guns are from those that want to vulch or fly through enemy acks umolested. 

ack-ack

[Dichotomy]

Albatross's?

[buzurdteeth]

Get rid of the unmanned guns alltogether,if you cant be botherd to
defend your town boat or field kiss it good bye.

[warphoenix]

pointless wish, offline I fly raids all the time and ALMOST NEVER get hit, the only time I really have a hard time with the auto-ack is when I'm dive bombing a CV with all the destroyers and the cruiser still afloat

[BigKev03]

No offense but his comments hardly prove your point.  Try posting some real concrete data that tries to prove your whine..err wish.

Can you guess what shot down more planes than anything else?  Probably not, but here is a hint..it starts with an "A"...


ack-ack

Ack, I have to disagree with you on this.  I will research it and find the article that discussed a study of the affect of AA for both the Germans and the Allies in WWII.  If I remember correctly over 80% of bombers made it to their targets even with high tech AA systems in place.  True some radar guided AA was effective but not to the point where it stopped bombing raids.  What gave the 8th Air Force problems was bein gunescorted into Germany and German fighters having a field day.  If possible can you provide stats to back up your pont?  Not being an bellybutton or anythign but if you have the data then that would be great to see and then it may answer questions for all of us.

BigKev

[guncrasher]

I sink cvs from 5.5k and hardly get hit by ack. but over town or base it just tears my planes apart. 

semp

[E25280]

Ack, I have to disagree with you on this.  I will research it and find the article that discussed a study of the affect of AA for both the Germans and the Allies in WWII.  If I remember correctly over 80% of bombers made it to their targets even with high tech AA systems in place.  True some radar guided AA was effective but not to the point where it stopped bombing raids.  What gave the 8th Air Force problems was bein gunescorted into Germany and German fighters having a field day.  If possible can you provide stats to back up your pont?  Not being a sweetie  or anythign but if you have the data then that would be great to see and then it may answer questions for all of us.

BigKev

You are comparing apples and oranges.  The OP seems to be about the low level field ack rather than the "puffy" fired at high altitude bombers.  Strafing an airfield protected by ack was one of the most dangerous things an allied fighter pilot could do.

[guncrasher]

After WW2, the USN took the numbers of all the 5" AA rounds fired and statistically averaged out that it took 1,000 rounds per plane kill.  Not that it actually took 1,000 rounds to kill a plane, but that was the statistical average.  Again, this in no way validates or confirms the OP's original whine..err wish that ack of any kind in AH is too powerful. 

The only real issue with the any of the acks is how the puffy acks track the target in regards to being able to track and fire at planes that flying are flying on the other side of a mountain that is between the plane and the fleet.  There is nothing wrong with the lethality levels of any of the AAA guns and those that claim there is are the ones that are using piss poor tactics and are paying the price.  Basically, these whines..err wishes to tone down the lethality of the AAA guns are from those that want to vulch or fly through enemy acks umolested. 

ack-ack

If you include that towards the end of the war the japanese had obsolete planes doing kamikaze runs the statistic is misleading.  Kinda like saying the japanese had inferior pilots by analyzing the mariana turkey shoot.


Semp

[warphoenix]

I sink cvs from 5.5k and hardly get hit by ack. but over town or base it just tears my planes apart. 

semp

different strengths, differet weaknessess

[Tyrannis]

I sink cvs from 5.5k and hardly get hit by ack. but over town or base it just tears my planes apart. 

semp

this. i usually take up a group of b25c's and come in about 3k and bomb the cv, if no1's gunning i got pretty much a 99% chance of sinking it even if ack has hit me. ive sunk 23 cvs doing this technique since the summer

[nrshida]

Oh, I thought this thread was a protest against Air Rifles 

[BigKev03]

You are comparing apples and oranges.  The OP seems to be about the low level field ack rather than the "puffy" fired at high altitude bombers.  Strafing an airfield protected by ack was one of the most dangerous things an allied fighter pilot could do.

On the contrary I am not comparing apples and oranges.  The odds of a low level plane being hit on a strafing run is dependent on many things: number of gun emplacements, skill level of the gun crews, speed of the aircraft, and a ton of other things including "LUCK'.  The same thing goes for the high level planes and the ack fired their way.  All  am saying if we have data to support the effectiveness of the ack in the game then please post it so we can look at it.  For example, on a small field in this game there are how many guns?  Answer is about 12-14, split between manned and auto ack.  Now if you are a lone plane then your chances of getting hit are vastly increased vice attacking with multiple planes.  But what I get out of a lot of people is that it seems like the auto ack we have has the effectivenss of the CIWS (MK 15 Phalanx) system used on US Navy Ships today.  I will take some time in the early hours and run some tests on airfields solo and chart the number of hits and other vitals to support or debunk this topic as best I can.

BigKev 

[EagleDNY]

-1 AAA is SUPPOSED to be dangerous.  I'm still pushing for the inclusion of the Sdkfz half-track with the 88mm AA gun on it.  As it stands now, there is NO way for AAA at a base to take down a bomber unless he is stupid enough to come NOE.  All I have to do is get a pack of B-17s up to 8.5K and the base is toast.  Bring us the 88, the flak tower, and puffy ack at bases (and over town) until the flak tower(s) are destroyed.