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Re: Brewster
« Reply #120 on: January 02, 2011, 04:04:05 PM »
And how is this statement determined?
 Quite frankly the FINS did so well cause the russians were so terrible at the time.

And that is probably one of the single largest reasons why the Finns were so successful with the Brewster and also the main reason why the Brewster is so successful in the hands of a few in AH.


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Re: Brewster
« Reply #121 on: January 02, 2011, 04:22:56 PM »
wow another brew hating thread....haha.....that plane is a joke out climbs a K4.......that made me actually lol  every plane in the hands of someone who knows it, is dangerous,  learn every planes weeknesses and strengths and then you will see how off your thoughts are on this one.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #122 on: January 02, 2011, 04:38:23 PM »
Ok. I guess a Brew driver better get in here and share some info. Brew vs. BnZ plane (k4, 51, 47 etc.) I wait for em to close 1.5k or so then evade, flat turn with rudder to throw the blind shot. IF he stretches out in a shallow climb I put my tail toward him and preform step 1. again. Fight ends 3 ways. 1 he gets tired and leaves (happens the least) 2 his friends show up then its just a matter of time or luck I wouldn't even give myself 50/50 odds. (happens a lot) 3 He get impatient goes vert, if I'm really watchin my E and he gets real sloppy and holds real still I can knock a wing off at 800 to 1000 then rudder over watchin my tail if I couldn't get him, if I miss and he comes right down on me evasives, either he starts turning (death without help) or he runs. (fight over)
with 50% to 0 fuel the brew will climb roughly 1000ft per 100mph indicated airspeed(so try it if you want to) but you better have more than me.

The Dreaded Diving Brewster. Ive had the Brew doing 450 indicated before even having stress sounds and so I guess that 500/510 and Ive never tore anything off of it. Now of course it can't turn real great at those speeds but Ive never had to do a whole lot of Turin either when diving, usually done in just straight lines but I made a pony tear his wings off one time chasing me through a high speed turn(don't ask me how but he did it.) if your on the deck I'm probably gonna catch ya. But a hard turn should get ya out of trouble unless your by yourself then I'm climbing and goin over the top and right back in catchin ya in the middle of your turn and saddling up.(Two options run and hope they don't get ya before your outta gun range/ turn and ya better hope its a crappy pilot.)

Brewsters VS. A6Ms and Hurris. I attack these 2 as quickly as I can because in the flat turn they will kill you. Unless the zeke or hurri pilot is good this quick fight will surprise em and they either panic or cant slow enough to out turn you. In a 1v1 same pilot Id give em a 50/50 both ways, If either one lands a good hit probably will end the fight right there. but with both a Brew has to end the fight early. In a prolonged fight though its really which pilot knows his bird better.  If you can dive on em then of course you control the fight but in the straight turn fight the Brew cannot win unless he can dump his E faster and these two, which is hard to do. So I'm always lookin for these guys already low and slow to put em outta the fight before they can get after me. And of course both can catch you in level flight, but the Zeke cannot dive with you(unless its a real short trip to the ground :confused:) Of course this is just a basic breakdown. This doesn't take into account the flaps of both the A6M2 and the brew more the reason to finish the fight quickly.

Anyhow there ya go.  :D Don't let me catch you.  :D
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #123 on: January 02, 2011, 04:56:52 PM »
Ok. I guess a Brew driver better get in here and share some info. Brew vs. BnZ plane (k4, 51, 47 etc.) I wait for em to close 1.5k or so then evade, flat turn with rudder to throw the blind shot. IF he stretches out in a shallow climb I put my tail toward him and preform step 1. again. Fight ends 3 ways. 1 he gets tired and leaves (happens the least) 2 his friends show up then its just a matter of time or luck I wouldn't even give myself 50/50 odds. (happens a lot) 3 He get impatient goes vert, if I'm really watchin my E and he gets real sloppy and holds real still I can knock a wing off at 800 to 1000 then rudder over watchin my tail if I couldn't get him, if I miss and he comes right down on me evasives, either he starts turning (death without help) or he runs. (fight over)
with 50% to 0 fuel the brew will climb roughly 1000ft per 100mph indicated airspeed(so try it if you want to) but you better have more than me.

The Dreaded Diving Brewster. Ive had the Brew doing 450 indicated before even having stress sounds and so I guess that 500/510 and Ive never tore anything off of it. Now of course it can't turn real great at those speeds but Ive never had to do a whole lot of Turin either when diving, usually done in just straight lines but I made a pony tear his wings off one time chasing me through a high speed turn(don't ask me how but he did it.) if your on the deck I'm probably gonna catch ya. But a hard turn should get ya out of trouble unless your by yourself then I'm climbing and goin over the top and right back in catchin ya in the middle of your turn and saddling up.(Two options run and hope they don't get ya before your outta gun range/ turn and ya better hope its a crappy pilot.)

Brewsters VS. A6Ms and Hurris. I attack these 2 as quickly as I can because in the flat turn they will kill you. Unless the zeke or hurri pilot is good this quick fight will surprise em and they either panic or cant slow enough to out turn you. In a 1v1 same pilot Id give em a 50/50 both ways, If either one lands a good hit probably will end the fight right there. but with both a Brew has to end the fight early. In a prolonged fight though its really which pilot knows his bird better.  If you can dive on em then of course you control the fight but in the straight turn fight the Brew cannot win unless he can dump his E faster and these two, which is hard to do. So I'm always lookin for these guys already low and slow to put em outta the fight before they can get after me. And of course both can catch you in level flight, but the Zeke cannot dive with you(unless its a real short trip to the ground :confused:) Of course this is just a basic breakdown. This doesn't take into account the flaps of both the A6M2 and the brew more the reason to finish the fight quickly.

Anyhow there ya go.  :D Don't let me catch you.  :D

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #124 on: January 02, 2011, 04:59:47 PM »
LOL I just want to see I they still let me shoot em down  :D
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #125 on: January 03, 2011, 08:31:24 PM »
The zeke can and will out-turn the brewster easily.
Who are you trying to kid? "Easily" is not the word to use.
You're 0 for 2 in the zeke vs the brew this tour. Easy eh?

Take your zeke out against Wmaker in his brew and tell me it's easy. :old:

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #126 on: January 03, 2011, 08:41:59 PM »
Who are you trying to kid? "Easily" is not the word to use.
You're 0 for 2 in the zeke vs the brew this tour. Easy eh?

Take your zeke out against Wmaker in his brew and tell me it's easy. :old:



FbWldct is correct though, a A6M2 will easily out turn the Brewster. However a smart and experienced Brewster pilot will not turn with an early Zeke so the point is kind of moot.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #127 on: January 03, 2011, 08:53:06 PM »
I call bs on this.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #128 on: January 03, 2011, 09:08:00 PM »
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #129 on: January 03, 2011, 09:14:10 PM »
Best turning aircraft in game.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Brewster_B-239#Maneuverability
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OK try it. A zeke almost always has enough E to loop and nothing, not even a brewster can stick with it when it is looping. That would be a zeke flying circles around a brewster.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #130 on: January 04, 2011, 05:51:22 AM »
FbWldct is correct though, a A6M2 will easily out turn the Brewster. However a smart and experienced Brewster pilot will not turn with an early Zeke so the point is kind of moot.

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Early zeke? I've been flying it for 2 years. The two Brewsters that killed me:
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2. I was rtb and didn't notice a funny guy on my low six.

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Re: Brewster
« Reply #131 on: January 04, 2011, 11:00:57 AM »
Its all on who lays the first shot. If they inflict enough damage to end the fight. wheather it happens in the first 10 seconds or 10 minutes later, with those light planes one good burst usually ends it one way or the other.
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #132 on: January 04, 2011, 11:32:46 AM »
I smell debate and doubt, I think there is something that will settle the zeke vs brew question!



















wait for it  :D




































Brewster vs A6M2   S M A C K D O W N   !



This will be settled in the DA soon  :aok


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Re: Brewster
« Reply #133 on: January 04, 2011, 12:44:41 PM »
Regarding which aircraft turns "better", the only way to know it is to do proper testing. No amount of  "does not! , does too!" is going to solve it.

Widewing tested Brewster and I-16 as they were released. The flight model changes Brewster has experienced since then shoudln't really affect its results. I-16 has probably gotten worse due to reduction of the prop efficiency at low speeds.

Turn radius and rate, full flaps, 25% fuel
B-239: 329 feet @ 22.5 degrees/sec
I-16: 382 feet @ 21.8 degrees/sec
A6M2: 315 feet @ 25.1 degrees/sec
Hurri I: 364 feet @ 23.3 degrees/sec

As one can see, while the difference between the turning radius of the Brewster and A6M2 is very small at sea level, A6M2 turns at clearly faster rate. It should be remembered however that sustained turning performance alone doesn't win or lose an engagement.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2011, 02:17:05 PM by Wmaker »
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Re: Brewster
« Reply #134 on: January 04, 2011, 12:55:43 PM »
Notice how it's the ones that don't know how to properly fight a Brewster are the ones that whine that the plane is over modeled? 

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