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Offline mthrockmor

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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 06:28:13 PM »
Not his best day but if we removed all officers who had offensive moments we would likely be speaking German right now. Stories from Tail Hook going back to the 1940's, the Air Forces Fighter Mafia are just as bad. The two differences between those days and these are the use of technology and the nancified nature of Americans today. We are very touchy feely.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 06:29:19 PM »
Not his best day but if we removed all officers who had offensive moments we would likely be speaking German right now. Stories from Tail Hook going back to the 1940's, the Air Forces Fighter Mafia are just as bad. The two differences between those days and these are the use of technology and the nancified nature of Americans today. We are very touchy feely.


This guy is un-funny, and obviously punches turds.


Edit: I'm sure that William "Bull" Halsey, Chester Nimitz and J.J "Jocko" Clark would have behaved in the same manner.

Or maybe not.

The difference between "Tailhook" and this is that "Tailhook" didn't occur onboard.

When a person in a command position is shown acting like a jack-ass while in command, it is bad for moral.

"The X.O. is a funny guy, let's see what we can get away with."

I, for one, never wanted my C.O. to be a comedian. I wanted him to wear his war face at ALL times. When the chips are down the men and women need to know that the people in charge are ALL BUSINESS.

As a taxpayer I want his immediate removal.

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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 06:53:39 PM »

As a taxpayer I want his immediate removal.

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Taxpayer?  Does that make you my boss too if I am in the military?   :lol 


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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2011, 06:58:42 PM »
Taxpayer?  Does that make you my boss too if I am in the military?   :lol  

Only if you are in charge of multi-billions of dollars worth of equipment and thousands of American lives.

If your a regular Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine, then you are my boss.

As my life and safety is in your hands.

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Edit: Freedom and family's lives as well.

Once you pass a certain pay grade, you relinquish the rights to foxhole humor.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2011, 07:03:24 PM »
I agree, this is unbecoming of an officer- especially one so far up the chain of command.  If it were just sailor or pilot, sure it'd be hilarious, but for a man of his caliber it is conduct unbecoming of an officer, and a gentleman.

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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2011, 10:22:01 PM »
I'd say that was 85% not objectionable. The other 15% is gonna hang him.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2011, 10:53:05 PM »
He's done like dinner.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2011, 07:38:43 AM »
They said this morning he is likely going to be removed.

I'll bet a lot of captains now will just say no videos.

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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2011, 10:35:26 AM »
Its heading in that direction.

Yup, well said....and y'all can thank the pseudo-intellectuals for the mess this country is now in!  The guy should be judged on his "Military Prowess" rather than his sense of humor. 

Oh yeah, before I forget...whomever doesn't agree....well YOU own the problem, and need to grow a "set" :devil
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2011, 11:25:52 AM »
He is getting relieved of command. That was the last boat I was on prior to going into the Army.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2011, 11:44:57 AM »
it amazes me that a supposedly intelligent Naval Officer would video tape something of that nature and NOT expect it to leak out? stick a fork in the putz he's done
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2011, 12:56:04 PM »
Not so fast.

Seems he is getting an awful lot of support from both his current and former crew. Including at least one female.
"A Facebook page supporting Honors had more than 6,000 followers this morning. And a female sailor who served on the Enterprise from 2007 until September also praised him.

Former Petty Officer Phillip Ciesla, who served on the Enterprise under Honors, said stripping the captain of his command would be an unfit punishment.

"I don't believe it's the right course of action," he said on CBS' "The Early Show." "He didn't do it out of malice or cruelty. He did it to entertain his crew and boost our morale."

He said the videos were taken out of context because they weren't made for the public. They were intended to humor the sailors, who work long hours, halfway around the world, for months at a time, he said.

"They were meant for the crew only," he sad. "For our entertainment, lighthearted laughter. None of it was ever meant to be taken seriously."



"Capt. Honors is a very professional person, but he knew when to have fun," Jessica Zabawa told The Associated Press by e-mail. "Capt. Honors knows when to be serious and when it's time to unwind."

Another former sailor, Pete Clarke, also said the videos were made for sailors and were something that civilians could not understand. He said relieving Honors of duty would be unfair.

He noted that at first, the Navy downplayed the videos, but then condemned them.

"Which Navy are we talking about?" Clarke, a family friend of Honors, said on NBC's "Today" show. "I think the political correctness at the Pentagon needs to be checked on this."

"It's a shame that videos from four years ago are going to affect a heroic person."


I concur. And had this come to light 4 years ago instead of today after the overturning of dont ask dont tell. I doubt this would have gotten as much press.
And considering these videos were made 4 years ago and are only now coming to light is a clear indication of just how little of a big deal was to the crew and how few people considered it offensive or worthy to complain about.. Particularly in this day and age where everyone seems to feel the need to have their butts kissed and the world bend over backwards for them because they find something offensive.


http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/04/uss-enterprise-capt-owen-honors-navy-video/

There is also an opinion piece worth reading that sums it up pretty good written by J.D. Gordon - a communications consultant to four Washington, D.C., think tanks and a retired Navy commander who served in the office of the secretary of defense as the Pentagon spokesman for the Western Hemisphere. He also served as a public affairs officer for the Atlantic Fleet during the 1993 Tailhook trial.


Now I havent been locked up on a ship for months on end but I do know that when running work crews on long and sometimes tedious jobs for long periods of time Keeping morale up is every bit as important as professionalism and sometimes you have to sacrifice a bit of one to achieve the other. And sometimes leadership itself needs to be the one to do something goofy just to break the tension and loosen things up because someone of lower rank or position simply wont have the same effect. Even Spit N polish blood and guts Patton himself knew that.

If as a commander or leader, Your tough as nails deadly serious all the time. You make yourself and everyone around, and under you miserable.

The fact that current and former crew are coming out to support him is telling in itself as to how good and fit a commander he is.

He will probobly get nailed for this. but only because at this year in this time. It will be politically correct for the Navy to do so.
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2011, 07:13:04 PM »
He's toast, the Navy is relieving him, effective immediately. Apparently the operating effectiveness of the USS Enterprise was not their primary concern.

Was it a brilliant thing to do? Of course not. Is it a career ender? It is now, although it probably should not be. There was a time in the military when doing your job well was far more important than being politically correct. There will soon be a time when Drill Instructors will be required to go to regularly scheduled sensitivity training.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2011, 08:52:22 PM »
Havent read it yet but if true.
Gotta wonder how much of the navy's top brass really wanted to do this or were simply succumbing to  pressure from above.
Particularly in light of recent events in Washington
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Re: Is Enterprise XO done?
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2011, 11:48:25 AM »
Someone so far up the chain of command does not have the luxury of being a bratty fratboy. He ceased to be a wet-behind-the-ears 2nd Lt. a long time ago.  Pity a career ends over it, but that's the breaks when you act stupid.



Agreed on the Article 133/134.  Pretty much a dead fit for conduct unbecoming an officer.
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