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Offline Drano

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Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« on: January 03, 2011, 10:42:43 PM »
I have an old gameport Ch rig (F-16 Fighterstick/Pro Throttle and TM Elite pedals). I've been running it in XP for quite some time and never had a problem with it until I changed sound cards last week. I swapped a Sound Blaster Live! Value out for a Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX. They both have game ports. The Audigy card, rather than being directly onboard has a plug on the card and I have a header for it so I used that, loaded the drivers, everything seemed OK but the rig wasn't working right. The stick shows and I can calibrate it. My rudders show and I can calibrate them. All my buttons lost their mapping and the throttle on the stick is working but the CH Throttle slider isn't. It does react but gives numbers 0-9 and back as I slide it up and back. Somewhere along the line my profile got hosed. I have a game port on my mobo and have a header for it also. Tried that with the same results.

Since Speedkeys doesn't run in XP that created a bit of work for me. I read at the CH Hangar about a work around using a boot disc but try as I might I just couldn't get that to run for me. No matter--I had an old but good hard drive laying around so I loaded up Win98SE on that drive. Had to remove almost all of my memory for it to run tho LOL. Times have changed. Anyway, I get Win98SE straightened out and the only program I load is the CH setup disc with drivers and Speedkeys. I shut down and hook up my rig. After a restart I open Speedkeys and voila--it sees my stick. Victory is in sight! And yes it's set for the throttle on the stick to work and not the CH Throttle slider. That explained that! So I rebuilt my profile, saved it and downloaded it to my stick. Tested it in speedkeys and notepad--no prob. All the buttons are re-mapped.

Went to calibrate it in 98se but my rig wasn't in the drop down box. Seemed odd--it was being seen by the program. I figured I was good to go. Undid my win98 setup and went back to XP. Reloaded my chanlg08 drivers and while the stick buttons are reprogrammed correctly, as before the stick throttle is the only thing that registers. It's been so long since I've messed with Speedkeys I'm guessing I did something or missed something. Anybody got any ideas? And don't say get new USB stuff. Week after christmas with a kid in college---that ain't happenin any time soon.

Thanks in advance!
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Offline Buzzard7

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Re: Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 12:17:28 AM »
Had an old analog setup not to long ago. You sure the set is plugged together correctly? That would be the only thing i can think of.
Header can only be plugged in one way?

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Re: Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 12:45:25 AM »
Did you use the CHFIXDS EXE. From what I read in the forums all the way at the bottom of the page. You need 1 floppy for each stick and throttle. As to speedkeys been to long for me to remember.
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Re: Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 07:10:30 AM »
Had an old analog setup not to long ago. You sure the set is plugged together correctly? That would be the only thing i can think of.
Header can only be plugged in one way?


Header plugs only go in one way. Never undid any of the connections on the rig other than simply unplugging it. Done that a hundred times with everything else I've done to my PC over the years.


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Re: Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 07:20:15 AM »
Did you use the CHFIXDS EXE. From what I read in the forums all the way at the bottom of the page. You need 1 floppy for each stick and throttle. As to speedkeys been to long for me to remember.

Tried that stuff first as I didn't want to go the whole loading win98 route if I could avoid it. I never got it to run right. Got it to make the discs OK but otherwise I couldn't figure it out. It's all "DOSsy" and I don't do DOS. Need a GUI! Moot point now as I have the win98 route to work with and I can apparantly now communicate with the rig which as the intial stumbling block. The chfixds as a workaround for the lack of keyboard emmulation in XP. You can't communicate with this rig through the keyboard as you need to from within XP. Something about it being a backdoor for hackers so Uncle Bill removed it somewhere after win98.
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Re: Analog CH Rig Problem--throttles wrong
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 11:24:18 AM »
Think I may have solved my own problem but it'll take a switch up when I get home tonight to be sure. I inadvertantly have it set to the wrong throttle in Speedkeys. I just misunderstood which one was which. I assumed that selecting external joystick would mean the one on the F-16 fighterstick--apparently it's the opposite. From the Pro Throttle troubleshooting guide(which is describing my exact problem):



My Pro Throttle’s slider does not work in the game controller’s calibration or in my
game.


The reason your throttle's axis does not operate the 3rd axis is because it is not set correctly
in Speedkeys. In speedkeys, make sure under the throttle axis tab that you have External
Joystick chosen.
This option allows windows to treat the 3rd axis (throttle axis) as an
external joystick (the Pro Throttle). Consequently, it will disable any throttle that exists on
your attached joystick. If you choose Pro Throttle slider for your throttle axis, you may still
use the throttle movement as your third axis. The only thing you need to remember is that
your throttle's slider now acts as keyboard presses (ie "+" for accelerate and "-" for
decelerate, or "1" for slowest speed and "0" for fastest speed). If you game does not support
an analog control for its third axis (or does not support a third axis period), then select Pro
Throttle Slider as your throttle axis.


So hopefully this will eliminate my problem. Something in the nether regions of my usually good memory tells me I did this once before--but that'd have to have been about a century ago! Long live the interweb! :D
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