Gotterdammerum Sucks

[lyric1]

Yak 9t has no use at altitude every contact that came in was 5-10k higher so we dragged them down lower to have a fighting chance.  So how do you catch late war German iron in 262's, AR234's,109G14's,190D's? Truth is you cant unless some one royally screwed up as this Dora did in this picture I took of a squad mate.




I ended up just parking my Yak on the runway & waited for a proxy kill in the ack. It seemed the most logical thing to do.

[oakranger]

Yak 9t has no use at altitude every contact that came in was 5-10k higher so we dragged them down lower to have a fighting chance.  So how do you catch late war German iron in 262's, AR234's,109G14's,190D's? Truth is you cant unless some one royally screwed up as this Dora did in this picture I took of a squad mate.


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I ended up just parking my Yak on the runway & waited for a proxy kill in the ack. It seemed the most logical thing to do.

Didn't the russians do the same, brought the Germans down on the deck to fight?

[Spikes]

I lived!!




 Oh ya i was a jet

Whoever gets shot down in a jet in this scenario sucks.

[Vulcan]

Yak 9t has no use at altitude every contact that came in was 5-10k higher so we dragged them down lower to have a fighting chance.

Not true. I was scouting ahead for the AR-234's. I came over the airfield as the Yaks were getting muddled up by the 262's. Yaks were mostly co-alt with me (20k'ish). On the flipside the AR-234s have no formations, and the bombsite was not easy mode (for their first run). That thing goes so fast that at 15-20k it's easy to miss in level bombing. Note the G14's and Dora's are not really high alt performers either.

[lyric1]

Not true. I was scouting ahead for the AR-234's. I came over the airfield as the Yaks were getting muddled up by the 262's. Yaks were mostly co-alt with me (20k'ish). On the flipside the AR-234s have no formations, and the bombsite was not easy mode (for their first run). That thing goes so fast that at 15-20k it's easy to miss in level bombing. Note the G14's and Dora's are not really high alt performers either.

Yes we were at 20k & struggling to do so & at that point we all headed lower. I was watching your G14 as it passed through.

This is as close as I got to shooting at any one.

[Delirium]

Seeing 125 kills to 85 is a pretty substantial difference between the two. Frankly, I'm very surprised it wasn't higher as I had suggested it would be in a previous post.

[perdue3]

Now yall know what it feels like to be an A6M5b vs F4U-4's and F4U-1C's. It's Eastern Front fellas, the only time Axis has a clear advantage.

I do feel sorry for you Allied twits but not very sorry. Last time we had jets we were handicapped by No-Fly Zones and couldn't take off til T+10 and couldn't go to certain areas. If you didn't read Vulcan's post on Page 1, I would consider doing so. He speaks the truth and i reinforce his 2 cents.

[Krusty]

Didn't the russians do the same, brought the Germans down on the deck to fight?

Quite so...

Asking for La-7s, or Yak9Us, would not have helped you at all when trying to chase down German planes over 20k high.

The entire Soviet mentality was to fly low, fight low, engage in dogfights, close the distance, and kill the enemy.

They didn't take shots 1000 yards out (most were really point-blank), they didn't climb up to 20k to hunt for the enemy. They let the enemy come to them. Does no good if the enemy is flying around at 20k and never comes down. They don't accomplish their mission and even if you miss all the action you still win.


P.S. Whoever called the Yak-9T a "ground attack" plane has no clue.

[oakranger]

Now yall know what it feels like to be an A6M5b vs F4U-4's and F4U-1C's. It's Eastern Front fellas, the only time Axis has a clear advantage.

I hear you on that.  Had to fly the A6M2 against the B-17s.  We had just one pass at it and that it.  After that, we just let them hit the base, no way we would caught up. 

Not to make a whine about this.  Another challenge most of the squads have is the ride.  the squads that are in a JG group that will most likely fly axis in the ETO, will have have rides that you know how to fly them.  Where in this case, 353rd FG, non of us fly the La's, Yaks or p-39.  We fly P-51 and P-47.  It sucks but we jump in them and do our mission. 

[Debrody]

I am a Luftwaffe pilot and i would say the german planes are superior to their russian opponents. But we had an equal numbers setup. Why? In reality the russians had a huge numerical advantage and also had more experienced pilots because the germans lost a lot and filled up with untrained grunts. That all caused the russian victory in the end, but we have experienced pilots now and want to create an almost equal frame. What about setting the  ratio to 3:2 or to 5:3? It could be fun, we can find our opponents more easily and they have better chance to shoot us down. Just and idea, opinions, critics are welcome.

[oakranger]

I am a Luftwaffe pilot and i would say the german planes are superior to their russian opponents. But we had an equal numbers setup. Why? In reality the russians had a huge numerical advantage and also had more experienced pilots because the germans lost a lot and filled up with untrained grunts. That all caused the russian victory in the end, but we have experienced pilots now and want to create an almost equal frame. What about setting the  ratio to 3:2 or to 5:3? It could be fun, we can find our opponents more easily and they have better chance to shoot us down. Just and idea, opinions, critics are welcome.

This is true for the eastern front, western front and southern front of EOT in the later end of the war.  However, the ratio i do not think the CM would want to do that but could be wrong.

[Der Jude]

Dear everyone,

I think we should do what we did in "Should have been a milk run" FSO event. This was the last time we had jets in recent history. The second frame they put no fly zones, air spawns, and delayed take off times to even things out for the allies. Seemed to work out well for everyone.

Sincerely, your number one Allied fan,         ~Der jude

[branch37]

My Yak9U got chased OTD by 2 190Ds that eventually nailed my engine and i crashed 

[perdue3]

I am a Luftwaffe pilot and i would say the german planes are superior to their russian opponents. But we had an equal numbers setup. Why? In reality the russians had a huge numerical advantage and also had more experienced pilots because the germans lost a lot and filled up with untrained grunts. That all caused the russian victory in the end, but we have experienced pilots now and want to create an almost equal frame. What about setting the  ratio to 3:2 or to 5:3? It could be fun, we can find our opponents more easily and they have better chance to shoot us down. Just and idea, opinions, critics are welcome.

I think when you apply too much historical accuracy you lose the fun factor. It's not fun for anyone to be outnumbered or have a numerical advantage. No kills for the horde and no kills for the horded.

[Debrody]

You may be right.