Author Topic: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?  (Read 2312 times)

Offline Jayhawk

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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #105 on: December 25, 2010, 09:16:54 PM »
No, not at all, you misinterpreted what I said.

Understood, sorry.

Of course, it is a lethal weapon, a walking stick is a non-lethal object of self-defense; which has it's perks, you can't die from being smacked in the thigh a couple times but a bullet to the thigh will cause tearing, possible rupture of the femoral artery, broken bone, etc. A gun can be aimed most anywhere on the body for death to occur (head, chest, arms [arteries/veins], legs [same]. The walking stick pretty much either has to be hit hard enough on the chest to cause an arrhythmia or palpatations, or smacked right on the noggin (prefferably in the temple) for there to be even the chance of a lethal blow (supposing you don't have bleeder's disease or leukemia).

Once again, it goes back to picking your poison. Lethality for effectiveness and a chance of getting severely wounded or even killed, or non-lethality for less effectiveness but less of a chance of dying, youself.

Okay, there are definitely situations that may call for non-lethal force, and like you said earlier, each has it's ups and downs.  In a self-defense situation, where you are being attacked, you probably don't have time to establish intent of attacker.  Does this person just want to smack you around a little, or is he willing to outright kill you?  Not knowing that, you have to assume worst case scenario.  If you feel your life is threatened, you have a right to use deadly force in return.  IMO, it may be too hard for the average person to try and establish what level of force to use on an attacker.  You want to win that fight, because it could mean your life if you loose.  If you don't feel like deadly force is necessary, but fail with your stick, you may only succeed in aggravating your assailant to become more aggressive.  To come back to topic, I think you are less likely to die yourself if you arm yourself with the knowledge and weapons to incapacitate the attacker, not just hurt him.

I was simply offering the walking-stick as an alternative to a gun.

Sure, but I was simply stating that without training, a stick would not be something I would trust my, or my family's life too.
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #106 on: December 25, 2010, 09:19:23 PM »
Sure, but I was simply stating that without training, a stick would not be something I would trust my, or my family's life too.

Alas, accidental gun deaths are a matter of everyday life. So long as you have it locked away in a safe, you're fine. As soon as you leave it out, it is no better than protecting your family with a stick, especially with children.
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #107 on: December 25, 2010, 09:34:06 PM »
Absolutely, I'm not at all saying that having a gun exempts you from training.  Both require training and responsibility.  I'll just take the gun any day over the stick.
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #108 on: December 25, 2010, 09:35:26 PM »
Alas, accidental gun deaths are a matter of everyday life. So long as you have it locked away in a safe, you're fine. As soon as you leave it out, it is no better than protecting your family with a stick, especially with children.

I have to disagree here. If you understand your weapon, and ensure your family understands gun safety, keeping a firearm unlocked is perfectly safe. It's when that gun is seen as a toy or it isn't truly understood that it becomes dangerous.

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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #109 on: December 25, 2010, 09:55:34 PM »
I have to disagree here. If you understand your weapon, and ensure your family understands gun safety, keeping a firearm unlocked is perfectly safe. It's when that gun is seen as a toy or it isn't truly understood that it becomes dangerous.

Of course, but still, there are people who choose not to warn their children and then that is when accidents happen. Even kids who know what they are or what they do may get curious, it happened to a friend of mine whose little bro had to be repeatedly put into time-out for carrying the gun, eventually he got ahold of it and shot his foot (gun was still lying around?  :headscratch: )
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #110 on: December 26, 2010, 09:07:57 AM »
Gun safety is a matter of personal responsibility - the use of deadly force is a personal choice and responsibility - both have consequences legal and emotional.

I 'know' accidents happen but I have been an active shooter, hunter and competitor for 50+ years. In all those years I did not know a single person that had a fatal accident for themselves or family.  I taught my children and my grandchildren firearm safety from a very early age - the most simple and direct lesson is that 'every gun' is loaded - period - and to be treated with utmost care respect at all times.. ditto the automobile.

Back to the question - I have a front line perimeter monitored by Irish Wolfhounds (who would be noisy)..but in the country we had different weapons in various locations before we moved back to Texas.

Pump shotgun under the bed, action open with shell (#2 shot which will penetrate only one sheetrocked wall) in chamber, and a pistol in each nightstand - both revolvers.

Those that choose non violent means to defend themselves is also personal choice - but does not belong in the realm of government supervision..
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #111 on: December 26, 2010, 09:21:28 AM »
While you may preach the rules of gun safety to your children and grandchildren, not everyone does, sadly. I wasn't trying to say that no one does and everyone who owns a gun is an irresponsible person.
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #112 on: December 26, 2010, 12:11:19 PM »
S&W Mod. 10 in .38 Spl.

Easy to learn.  Easy to operate.  Easy to maintain.  Effective and cheap ammo (I suggest a 125gr HP).

You do not need 300 rounds through a hi capacity weapon to get the job done.  LEARN the gun, LEARN how it shoots, and KNOW how you are going to react.

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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #113 on: December 26, 2010, 08:33:21 PM »
Ahh.... No. A typical .45 ACP round delivers around 5 times the energy of a common 40 grain .22 Long Rifle round.



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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2011, 12:49:26 AM »
Beretta 92FS w/ 135 grain Hydra-Shoks. I carry my mine with me at all times.
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Re: Best gun for home defense for a novice shooter?
« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2011, 12:59:54 AM »
Beretta 92FS w/ 135 grain Hydra-Shoks. I carry my mine with me at all times.

To save time cleaning it, just throw it at the perp.   
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