Torque or Power ?

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Reaper~lol that would be fun but I dont have the cash to fork out for a classic MOPAR(I paid $2000)  and besides I said there are faster cars out there no doubt, I would bet money though, your car could not handle what I put that 340 challenger through! 340 not Hemi.....;-)                                               

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Bigrat~I bought the Challenger in 94 I paid $2000 even for it....lol   the rearend is almost worth that now, it was not great of the line but she could do 130+ all day long,I topped it at 150 in AZ racin a benz,couldnt quite catch him.thats the thing with the old Mopars insanly strong and durable.....it would go and go and go 6 plus years of my crazy bellybutton behind the wheel and never Broke except torsion bar,that was after I hit 120, pulled into drive,next morning came out and front tire was suked up into the well,hmm I say,look underneath and torsion bar is hanging in two...sickest Mopar I ever saw was a 1400 hp cuda,lol that was just sick.     and I know its different now a days, I drove a sick STi  Subaru, WoW that sucker was fast, but id still take a complete rusted out MOPAR over any of todays cars especially some crap chevy no matter how "nice" it is.  im just a true blue die hard MOPAR guy,dont need to be the fastest just needs to be MOPAR but of course with 6 kids....no Mopar for me maybe one day.

[Shuffler]

actually yes, i have driven in both. my friends dad owns an 09 corvette and a friend who own an 08 viper. and i got to say the viper is  just alot more fun to drive. it feels like a sportcar should. it has pure raw power to it. why would you buy a sportscar for comfort anyways? i would take a hennesey dodge viper venom twin turbo with spartan interior over some posh lambo sporting leather seats and etc. if i wanted that stuff i'd buy a sedan.

and many auto-magazines name the viper ACR as a better track car than the corvette. (car&driver, motortrend) sure the viper has some wear&tear issues, but ever good car has its faults. even top gear named the viper better than the vette.

most ppl ive seen who like a vette over a viper is because of 3 reason.

1.the styling (personally i love the vipers aggresive "GTFO of my face!" look)
2. they like the vette simply because it has a longer history than the viper.
3. there hardcore chevy fans.

only thing ive seen from a vette i like, is that headsup display it has. other than that i'd take a viper over it.

a vipers meaner,faster,better looking(opinion)better engine(opinion) and cmon, it has a HEMI, whats not to love about that?


-flame suit upgraded to resist angry chevy fans-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hsiUJ8aPMs

Actually the stock viper is not that quick. The Hemi (hemispherical head) engine is an old design. Most of the new engines are nothing like the old original big blocks.

[Saurdaukar]

Quite a few automotive enthusiasts here. I'm wondering what you value most from an engine for normal road use - torque or power?

Everyday driving:  Low-end torque.

Road racing:  Horsepower.

1/4 mile racing - Both.

[CAP1]

Bigrat~I bought the Challenger in 94 I paid $2000 even for it....lol   the rearend is almost worth that now, it was not great of the line but she could do 130+ all day long,I topped it at 150 in AZ racin a benz,couldnt quite catch him.thats the thing with the old Mopars insanly strong and durable.....it would go and go and go 6 plus years of my crazy bellybutton behind the wheel and never Broke except torsion bar,that was after I hit 120, pulled into drive,next morning came out and front tire was suked up into the well,hmm I say,look underneath and torsion bar is hanging in two...sickest Mopar I ever saw was a 1400 hp cuda,lol that was just sick.     and I know its different now a days, I drove a sick STi  Subaru, WoW that sucker was fast, but id still take a complete rusted out MOPAR over any of todays cars especially some crap chevy no matter how "nice" it is.  im just a true blue die hard MOPAR guy,dont need to be the fastest just needs to be MOPAR but of course with 6 kids....no Mopar for me maybe one day.

i have a customer that drivew his subaru wrx sti every day to work. it's a 40 mile 1 way trip. his car was dyno'd to show 540hp to the tires. 

[Saurdaukar]

i have a customer that drivew his subaru wrx sti every day to work. it's a 40 mile 1 way trip. his car was dyno'd to show 540hp to the tires.  

Those Sti's can be nasty cars if you dial out the understeer with some creative suspension work.

Bit heavy and under-braked, though, it seems.  Never fails, during a DE weekend, that at least one WRX or Evo goes off on a gravel tour at the end of a long straight because they put mucho cash into the engine and nothing into the brakes.

Five or six laps and the pads and fluid are cooked.

[CAP1]

Those Sti's can be nasty cars if you dial out the understeer with some creative suspension work.

Bit heavy and under-braked, though, it seems.  Never fails, during a DE weekend, that at least one WRX or Evo goes off on a gravel tour at the end of a long straight because they put mucho cash into the engine and nothing into the brakes.

Five or six laps and the pads and fluid are cooked.

 he's done all of his homework. once he put the bigger turbo, intercooler, methenol injection, and associated electrronics, he realized it was hard as hell to stop it. so he upgraded it all.

 it's funny......he's a kid sorta(28, and been to iraq 2x) but he has enough sense to realize that the car needs to be built as a complete package.

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The Sti I drove was stock 300 hp, it was insanly fast and handled incredable, woulda smoked my challenger.....does not matter to me id still take the challenger over it any day :-)

[CAP1]

The Sti I drove was stock 300 hp, it was insanly fast and handled incredable, woulda smoked my challenger.....does not matter to me id still take the challenger over it any day :-)

i'd take an old mustang over it......but then i'm a ford nut. 

[RTHolmes]

i have a customer that drivew his subaru wrx sti every day to work. it's a 40 mile 1 way trip. his car was dyno'd to show 540hp to the tires. 

jeez I bet thats laaaaaaGGGGY!

[Saurdaukar]

but he has enough sense to realize that the car needs to be built as a complete package.

Good stuff.  Keep your customers informed and they'll be safer, all around.  

Last year... in June, I think, we had a kid total his Evo during his very first event.  Felt horrible for him.  Car was almost brand new - younger fella - early 20's - had about 400WHP and nothing else done.  Street-racer type who was making an honest attempt to get away from that garbage and try the real thing.  No attitude or anything - had promise - good kid.

His brakes lasted half-way through the second 30-minute session.  End of the main straight at what was probably about 135MPH, his pedal went to the floor and nothing happened.  Panicked, spun the wheel and is lucky he didn't roll over, frankly.  Thankfully, he was ok - but the car was pretty far from it.

The Sti I drove was stock 300 hp, it was insanly fast and handled incredable, woulda smoked my challenger.....does not matter to me id still take the challenger over it any day :-)

I didn't read the whole thread; but if it's a newer Challenger or an older, even slightly-worked one, a stock Sti shouldn't pose a threat in a straight line - beyond the advantage of an AWD launch (assuming he doesn't bog it).

While the car "feels" fast due to the forced-induction nature of the torque curve, it suffers from a very high percentage of drivetrain loss.

It's a 13-second car that traps a hair over 101-102MPH, if I recall correctly.  A new Challenger should be in the mid-12's but, more importantly, traps around 110MPH, which is the significant statistic, as I'm sure CAP will agree.

[CAP1]

jeez I bet thats laaaaaaGGGGY!

i asked him about that. nada. he puts his foot down, and the power's there.

[CAP1]

Good stuff.  Keep your customers informed and they'll be safer, all around.  

Last year... in June, I think, we had a kid total his Evo during his very first event.  Felt horrible for him.  Car was almost brand new - younger fella - early 20's - had about 400WHP and nothing else done.  Street-racer type who was making an honest attempt to get away from that garbage and try the real thing.  No attitude or anything - had promise - good kid.

His brakes lasted half-way through the second 30-minute session.  End of the main straight at what was probably about 135MPH, his pedal went to the floor and nothing happened.  Panicked, spun the wheel and is lucky he didn't roll over, frankly.  Thankfully, he was ok - but the car was pretty far from it.

I didn't read the whole thread; but if it's a newer Challenger or an older, even slightly-worked one, a stock Sti shouldn't pose a threat in a straight line - beyond the advantage of an AWD launch (assuming he doesn't bog it).

While the car "feels" fast due to the forced-induction nature of the torque curve, it suffers from a very high percentage of drivetrain loss.

It's a 13-second car that traps a hair over 101-102MPH, if I recall correctly.  A new Challenger should be in the mid-12's but, more importantly, traps around 110MPH, which is the significant statistic, as I'm sure CAP will agree.

mid to low 12's should be around 110 to 120mph. generally with those et's and mph readings, you're making good power all the way through.

 i'd take an old challenger over the new one, just because. i'd take a 2011 or 2012 mustang over an old one, because the mustangs are the best looking of the retro cars(and they're the first retro hot rods). i think the camaro looks good too, but if i was buying for an american muscle car.....the camaro's outta the running, as it's not an american car.

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Cap~69 mach1 was a very sweet car, I have to admit I like all the old American Muscle, 67 camaro ragtop my dad had was real nice, I just love the MOPARS the most.

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Cap~69 mach1 was a very sweet car, I have to admit I like all the old American Muscle, 67 camaro ragtop my dad had was real nice, I just love the MOPARS the most.

oh yea... i love em all. my favorites are the 67-68 fastbacks(think bullit), closley followed by the 69-70 fastbacks. i love the 67-69 camaros(which were an answer to the mustang), and i friggin love the challengers and cudas.....although neither one comes close in beauty to the 68-69 charger. 

 and of course there's the 66(or was it 65?) novas, the early 60's galaxys with the 427's, and the thunderbolt fairlanes.