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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2011, 10:11:15 AM »


did you really just say that?

he probably did.

my friend bought a 2004 z3. he loves it. it's a friggin bullet on rails.

 so far, the few things it's needed, including front brakes, he hasn't paid a dime for. it's all been covered.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2011, 10:17:33 AM »
A few years ago I took my car into the Chrysler dealer, only because it was still under warranty. They told me I needed a front brake job and that my rotors needed replaced as they were under min spec.

The car was less than two years old and the rotors had never even been turned before!

Never went back to that dealer.

Found a Dodge dealer closer to my house and every time I take it there they almost never recommend a repair, to the point I almost wonder if they are inspecting it adequately.

Have had those "too thin" rotors turned twice since then and continue to go to this Dodge dealer even though the car is well out of warranty.

a lot of shops, both dealer, and non dealer try that crap with the rotors these days. to be honest, i don't even cut them anymore, unless they've been damaged, or the customer requests it. i've found over the years that all it does, is waste the customers money.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2011, 04:07:57 PM »
Gotta agree with you Cap...  This is possibly even less ethical than helping a customer "quiet" a knocking rod to ready a vehicle for trade-in...

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2011, 07:41:49 PM »
Worst guys in the business..........Landrover!!!!

Never EVER buy a product from these scam artists.  They are the worst built POS cars on the market...and their service department comes up with all sorts of BS to tell you why your rather expensive POS car is breaking every 4000 miles.  There is a list but it is to long to type here.  Just do a search for Service bullitens.  The year that I had mine there were 295 known issues for my type of car.  I had almost all of them.   :furious  Never again.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 08:10:38 PM »
I like Hyundai, my dad has the Verracruz and he loves it, I love my BMW's aswell, although since there is snow on the ground for 7 months of the year here, I dont get it out much, my E30 is great in the winter though for a 2 door ( and I only paid 2000$ for it)

I hate Hyundai's , I bought a brand new 97 Sonata and it still gets me to and from as the work car, but I have spent over 5K on broken timing belts that are breaking due to the tension pulley going bad well before its time and busting the timing belt, so now I just pay to replace the tensioner about every 30k to be safe so it doesn't cost me 1500 bucks to fix each time.  Never again will I buy a POS Hyundai.  The next POS I buy will be a Ford.....  :P


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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 11:45:29 PM »
.but WTF do friggin BRAKE PADS have to do with a lack of heat?! or that tie rod end??


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here is what more than likely happened... sales person aka service writer needed some money and saw that the mechanics inspection noted 50% worn brakes... in the services writers mind there worn out. loose tie rod end = very loose tie rod end to a service writer. There is a good chance the guy who looked at the car was just doing his job, its the BS sales staff that makes the mechanic look like a crook, at least the majority of the time. now don't get me wrong, there are alot of shady shops out there but more then likely its the sales staff that needs to be blamed. I know if i get a car in the shop for a particular complaint i am expected to do a full vehicle inspection regardless. so that means telling them about stuff that is unrelated to there issue that brought them into the shop in the fist place. people have the right to know what is wrong with there car no matter if it has anything to do with their complaint. but at the same time i know exactly how you feel in this situation! I always look at it this way. tell them what will fix the issue they are having but then let them know that there are other things that need to be addressed as well, let the customer sort them out and if they want some advice on what should be prioritized, i give them honest advice. And you already know that honesty goes a looooong ways in this biz.             I just had to rant on this cuz i Fing hate the service writers at my shop.  :furious :furious :furious :furious  But its good to hear that there are other honest mechanics out there!!!!!!!!!!  :rock keep up the good work

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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 07:47:37 AM »
Worst guys in the business..........Landrover!!!!

Never EVER buy a product from these scam artists.  They are the worst built POS cars on the market...and their service department comes up with all sorts of BS to tell you why your rather expensive POS car is breaking every 4000 miles.  There is a list but it is to long to type here.  Just do a search for Service bullitens.  The year that I had mine there were 295 known issues for my type of car.  I had almost all of them.   :furious  Never again.

i've been lucky enough to only ever work on 2 of these POS's. can't honestly understand how they sell these crap piles.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 07:48:25 AM »
I hate Hyundai's , I bought a brand new 97 Sonata and it still gets me to and from as the work car, but I have spent over 5K on broken timing belts that are breaking due to the tension pulley going bad well before its time and busting the timing belt, so now I just pay to replace the tensioner about every 30k to be safe so it doesn't cost me 1500 bucks to fix each time.  Never again will I buy a POS Hyundai.  The next POS I buy will be a Ford.....  :P

hyundai seems to have come a loooooong way quality wise, especially in the mid 2000's to now.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2011, 07:57:46 AM »
here is what more than likely happened... sales person aka service writer needed some money and saw that the mechanics inspection noted 50% worn brakes... in the services writers mind there worn out. loose tie rod end = very loose tie rod end to a service writer. There is a good chance the guy who looked at the car was just doing his job, its the BS sales staff that makes the mechanic look like a crook, at least the majority of the time. now don't get me wrong, there are alot of shady shops out there but more then likely its the sales staff that needs to be blamed. I know if i get a car in the shop for a particular complaint i am expected to do a full vehicle inspection regardless. so that means telling them about stuff that is unrelated to there issue that brought them into the shop in the fist place. people have the right to know what is wrong with there car no matter if it has anything to do with their complaint. but at the same time i know exactly how you feel in this situation! I always look at it this way. tell them what will fix the issue they are having but then let them know that there are other things that need to be addressed as well, let the customer sort them out and if they want some advice on what should be prioritized, i give them honest advice. And you already know that honesty goes a looooong ways in this biz.             I just had to rant on this cuz i Fing hate the service writers at my shop.  :furious :furious :furious :furious  But its good to hear that there are other honest mechanics out there!!!!!!!!!!  :rock keep up the good work

 i fully agree about service writers. i know what kind of crap they do. i'm good friends with a guy that spent about 10 years doing that for a goodyear shop. needless to say, he more than likely did exactly what you said, then some.

 even when i used to sell the work for the last couple shops i worked at, i concerned myself with the problem at hand, not other bs that had nothing to do with the complaint.
 in the case of this radiator, she should have been told nothing about anything outside the area of her complaint(like hoses, thermostat, etc.) until the heating problem was solved.
 
 i'm somewhat familiar with the shop she took it to before coming to me. till recently, i've never heard a bad word about them. it seems in the past year or so, i've been hearing stuff like this. there was a nissan 200sx i had a couple of weeks ago, that had been taken there for a stalling problem, and non-functional speedometer. they put a vss in it, and let it go. didn't solve the stalling, and it still had a non-functional speedo. i put a used instrument cluster in it for the speedo problem. solved that. the stalling went away when i put some gas in the tank for them.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2011, 11:57:47 AM »
hyundai seems to have come a loooooong way quality wise, especially in the mid 2000's to now.





that is EXACTLY when they made the changeover..around 2004...and started building much better cars..packing them with free/included upgrades...and backing them better than anyone.  we bought our niece a 2003 elantra...it now has 114K miles.....and nothing has broken on it...ever.  she says it still runs like a champ. Sontata (made in the usa) is about to replace Camry....and the Genesis was voted best north american luxury car in 09. I have the sedan..but the Coupe is off the charts.

I have no doubt that Hyundai will win over more hearts and minds. it takes time...just like it did for "Datsun" and "Honda".  I did my homework on the Genesis..it's built and backed well..and in many ways as I said above..it out performs my old 328i by leaps and bounds.  handling..I'll still give to BMW..but that's about it.. and quite frankly..unless I drive the Autobahn I really don't think that's as big of an issue as I did back in the day.
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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 12:08:08 PM »
BTW..this is Hyundai's jump into the hyper luxury market...the new Equus..






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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 03:37:28 PM »
Obviously you don't know much. Since its debut , reviewers have consistently said that handling is the Genesis’ main shortcoming.
BMW backs it up with just as amazing warranty and free maintenance, plus it doesn't loose 50% of its value within first year. Over 40 thousand for Hyundai :rofl Congrats, you got screwed.

And BMWs handle like tugs compared to Hondas and Fords.  Want to compare sticker prices now? 

Not to mention that BMW has had to catch up in the warrenty department in the last couple years or they would of gone out of buisness.  Sales a couple years ago plummeted when all BMWs started needing two weeks in the shop to re-set an apoxy-mounted bumber whenever the car would love-tap something with its bumpers.  Just look back at the difference in waranties during that three-month span, they went from one of the worst warrenties to one that addressed customers concerns on certain items to one that covered whatever it needed to to make the sale happen, most unusual for a company that for decades had almost no attention given twords customer warrenties beyond the bare basics.  Some loyal customers finaly realized how greedy and horribley deisgned they were and BMW reluctantly bent over and has been using it as their main sales pitch since.  And just because BMW has been doing this for only two years now out of its entire history, doesn't mean I would consider them a stelar alternative by a very long shot.




did you really just say that?

Yes, yes he did!   Does this mean I should of just cut to the chase and imediatley pointed and laughed?
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2011, 08:00:32 AM »
WTG CAP...If you were down here in Alabama I could point you to about a dozen shops that do what you describe. On the flip side of that coin you describe there are easily just as many who play the way you do with your customers. For that I :salute you bud. WTG!
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2011, 08:08:03 AM »
WTG CAP...If you were down here in Alabama I could point you to about a dozen shops that do what you describe. On the flip side of that coin you describe there are easily just as many who play the way you do with your customers. For that I :salute you bud. WTG!

i actually know of a few like that here in jersey. i get to deal with other shops as a customer, through civil air patrol. i'n nj wing lgt, and due to this, i cannot steer the work to my own shop(conflick of interest there).

 i've dealt with houstons on rt 206 in columbus nj, s&s auto in secaucus nj, tynans in hacketstown nj, borchers auto in blackwood nj......and a few others i can't think of right now.
 each and every one of them as given us spectacular service, and have all been more than honest with us. all work estimates come through me, and i rarely let on that i have my own place, till after i've dealt with them a couple of times. they've all treated me good.
 had a ford dealer that tried to rake us over the coals........i didn't let it happen, and we take nothing there anymore....not even warranty work.
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Re: THIS IS the kind of stuff that pisses me off
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2011, 08:41:30 AM »
While we are talking machanics, anybody know any good, honest, and reliable shops in South Georgia?  I am in Douglas, Ga and it seems every shop here (dealer or otherwise) tries to rip you off.  You go in for one thing, they may fix it, but they try to fix 100 other things while they are doing it. 

I don't know if anybody else lives in this backwards area, but if anybody knows of a good shop within 50 miles of Douglas, GA I would be happy.
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