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Offline lyric1

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #225 on: September 08, 2013, 11:28:03 PM »
While working on this topic I had a chance to communicate with MR Wilhelm Ludwig Kriessmann an AR-234 Ferrier pilot.

http://www.aviationartstore.com/pilot_Wilhelm%20Ludwig%20Krissemann.htm

He helped me with some questions I had & I gave him a copy of the PDF book I posted on this thread. I just found out sadly he passed away last year. :salute


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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #226 on: September 09, 2013, 02:12:07 AM »
While working on this topic I had a chance to communicate with MR Wilhelm Ludwig Kriessmann an AR-234 Ferrier pilot.

http://www.aviationartstore.com/pilot_Wilhelm%20Ludwig%20Krissemann.htm

He helped me with some questions I had & I gave him a copy of the PDF book I posted on this thread. I just found out sadly he passed away last year. :salute


http://carolynyeager.net/remembering-willi-kriessmann


Holy cow, did you check out the kind of person that carolyn yeager chick is and the point of her site and her efforts? :confused:
Sad.   :noid

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #227 on: September 09, 2013, 02:34:02 AM »
Holy cow, did you check out the kind of person that carolyn yeager chick is and the point of her site and her efforts? :confused:
Sad.   :noid



Ahh no I didn't I just happened to do a search for Wilhelm Ludwig Kriessmann & noticed that he had passed & posted from the first link I noticed. No idea who she was or what she was about till now.

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #228 on: January 17, 2016, 01:11:50 PM »
According to Smith/Creek, pg 87 in their book, the rear firing 20mm cannons were only fitted to the V21 prototype.

As well as V-19 a four engine B model that was designated the first C model prototype :aok

For a very long time now I have been trying to get a copy of this book.



It is a rare book & copies are hard to find. At last I have got one for my self. :banana:
All the aircraft that were captured & were able to be flown by the allies came out of Norway.

This book also supports the no rear guns except for the prototypes. As I listed before in this thread only the C model was ever fitted with rear guns. It lists each aircraft that was there in Norway & lists those that was deemed possible to fly for the Allies.








It also breaks down who flew what aircraft back to their respective sides for example Eric Brown.
He only flew two.





Now just to refresh the memories of some,this is what the firing ports & ejection shell chutes would have looked like if they had of put rear guns on the B model.
These images are all C models.





So lets look at the two Brown flew.

#140581 This was a reconnaissance aircraft it flew with 1.(F)/33 a recon squadron it had cameras & those are located in the compartment the rear guns would have been if installed.
Photo of that plane.





#140356 This aircraft was in II./KG 76.
This was a bomb squadron no cameras here so the rear area for guns is empty & has a possibility to be a rear gunned AR-234B?
No there is no gun ports on it.
















 




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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #229 on: January 17, 2016, 04:20:46 PM »
Bustr bought up a site on the TA-152 thread I started. At one point in time you had to pay to be a member to access the information. Not any more.  :banana:

Plus they have found more stuff about the AR-234B2 Periscope since I subscribed.

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/instrumente/katalog/revi/revi.htm

Translated it to English it explains how the PV 1B site & the dive computer worked for dive bombing plus drawings of what the forward & rear views would have looked like through the periscope.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deutscheluftwaffe.de%2Farchiv%2FDokumente%2FABC%2Fr%2FReflexvisiere%2FBZA_1%2FBZA%25201.html&edit-text=&act=url










So this would be the view forward for bombing inside the circle.



This shows forward & back view I believe.





This periscope is for purpose built AR-234B recon aircraft no need for a forward view so no PV 1B sight.









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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #230 on: April 26, 2016, 12:46:16 AM »
Found a couple of new books that were published last year. They just reinforce what I have been saying for a while.




Also the 3D drawings in them are amazing here is a sample.



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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #231 on: April 26, 2016, 01:53:26 PM »
Lyric,

Great work.

I hope you are not going the route I've gone with the motor cannons azimuth settings in fighters, I16 flaps, A20-G optical gunsight, and P47-D11 front view through the armored glass. Galland would have loved cannons that could shoot up through the engine.
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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #232 on: December 25, 2017, 01:20:20 PM »
Since Photbucket killed this thread and with the eventual update of the AR-234B plus with a new book I just found.

Just a little reminder.  :devil




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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #233 on: December 26, 2017, 08:57:35 AM »
    Ratos should shed automatically at 250 to 300 mph.  It is a joke to see a fantasy minded player keep them on and use them like a cartoon roadrunner on Saturday  morning to run from a bounce.  Also it seems from the  Discovery Channel  program "Wings of the Luftwaffe that AR234s had a periscope whether it had  guns or not.

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #234 on: December 26, 2017, 10:25:42 AM »
Compromise: Ar234 with front AND rear guns! Har har
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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #235 on: December 26, 2017, 11:50:35 AM »
Compromise: Ar234 with front AND rear guns! Har har

AR-234B had in instances forward facing guns.

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #236 on: December 26, 2017, 03:01:50 PM »
The proposed night fighter version was to be armed with forward and/or SM guns, all others not

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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #237 on: December 26, 2017, 05:56:02 PM »
AR-234B had in instances forward facing guns.
Where did he say Ar234B? :)
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Re: ar234 question
« Reply #238 on: December 26, 2017, 09:09:00 PM »
Where did he say Ar234B? :)

Its back in this thread.

Here is a profile of one.





 


The others were the night fighter versions.