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Offline Sloehand

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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2011, 12:53:40 PM »
I appreciate all the input and comments.  However, at the risk of seeming extremely stupid, I most cases, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.    :D

As for VM, I think I originally said I tried to get WinXP to emulate an earlier OS, Win98 in fact.  Never worked and I'm sure I did something wrong, but couldn't figure out what.  And that was quite awhile ago.  As for the Mobo OS switching, as I also said its been  or 7 years, or more since I last bought a machine or paid any real attention to what's out there.  I know I don't know a tenth of what goes on technically any more, if I ever really did.

Full Disclosure - I once worked as a system administrator on UNIX token ring systems.  Hated it, and it was only half as difficult to understand as Microsoft's stupid OS'es.  I moved into systems analysis and UI development as quickly as I could.  In truth, given good explanation, I understand technical issues, but am NOT a techie at heart.  And ever since leaving sysadm, I've vowed to have as little to do with hardware as possible.  Call it my personal blind spot.  Oh, yea.  I also worked for Microsoft as an analyst and project manager, in IT not the retail side.  Most screwed up company and development concepts on the planet.  Except for their business plan of selling a new version every 18 months with or without useful improvements, which even that they messup more often than not.

Without spending alot of time thinking about all this (or knowing about the MB OS switching), I figured that I could just swap hard drives in and out of a bootable external bay as easily as anything else.  Everything, and only, what I wanted or needed with a particular OS would be on that drive and nothing else.  This was especially important for keeping the AH game drive completely clean.  No other programs or exposure to the Internet in any way.  Seems simple enough, especially for my simple mind.

My biggest concern was that there might be a reason why this plan would NOT work.  Or that my components were not compatible, or had a too short technical life expectancy.  I used to get new computer every two years (when I had money) and this last time its be nearly 7 years.  Too short and too long.  I'd like my new machine to have decent performance life of 3 or 4 years if possible.  Also, running older OS'es would be a nice extra, but is not critical.  The real idea was to keep by business/personal side of computing, all the programs and the Internet separate from my AH gaming.
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2011, 01:45:02 PM »
Sloehand,

VMware verses right clicking on a program and clicking run in win98se compatibility mode ( otherwise emulating ) are (2) seperate things.......

VMware, allows you to actually run the complete Win95 os or complete win98 os  with in WinXP or even Windows 7 as if you was actually only using either one of those 2 operating systems, in if I am correct "Full Fucntional Capacity".....

kind of like using Dameon Tools to make a "Virtual Hard Drive" in a sense, except it is a Virtual Operating system, that you can use to your hearts content with whatever games or programs you might want to be able to access...

Yes, the compatibility mode / emulator of WinXP is a "crap shoot" whether one can get it to work correctly or not.....

The biggest concern I would think you would run up against would be that each individual OS requires MB & MB/onboard utility drivers that may not interact with the individual operationg systems spanning such a lengthy developement timeline.....

also the FAT16 / FAT32 / NTFS file structure limitations..... once you hit Windows 7, may be a bigger concern trying to have so many different OS's  using and even recognizing/sharing the same Motherboard BIOS/CMOS....

note: I am going on old memory here though..... knowing you are going to be swapping them out, using "hot swappable Hard Drives" with a removable connection that connects via IDE to USB ( they make adaptor Boxes ) might be a way......and setting the MB to boot from USB Device

er set Boot Up Option to check the USB Device 1st, then any toher particular Hard Drvies in sequential order as you would want .... this way you could install the Win95 loaded HD in the adaptor box IDE to USB and boot up in Win95, or install the win98 and do the same. leave the HD's out completely so it just scans thru and jumps to the next bootable OS of WinXP or win 7 ( but both these would have to be in NTFS file structure )

I seriously would like to see if you could make this work with the win95 thru Win 7 OS's all on the same system...... but figured VMware might be the best bet of all.... with a dual booting WinXP / Win 7 setup ( this could be all on the same HD with partitions or 2 seperate HD's then RAID setup )

the other thing would be the MBR ( Master Boot Record ).......

Microsoft lists how to go about setting up old OS's and newer ones and in what sequence of order to do so. but the limiting factor on this is gonna be the FAT32 vs NTFS file structure situation, I believe

as I said. I am going from "old memory" of this stuff. so don't take everything I have posted to be "Exact truth"......

I don't even have access to my main PC ( HD's ) with my pc/pc components/ OS setup info . so anything I have posted, I would have to go search again and post the links to point you in the right direction. but at MSDNtech and Ms website.. you can find the info.... or if you need help , holler and I will retrieve it for you to help you....

hope this helps  ( GEEZ, sorry I wrote a wall of text. got carried away there )
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2011, 01:55:14 PM »
OK, I re-read what you wrote

your best bet, since it is not critical about the win95/win98

would be to use a dual boot setup....... or maybe even multi-boot

work      - partiton or HD - either win7 or winXP
personal - partiton or HD - either win7 or winXP
gaming   - partiton or HD - either win7 or winXP

and then use XPmode on Windows 7 ( if available ) or VMware utility to access / load win95 and/or win98 for your older stuff on your Personal HD/partition

this should allow your New PC to be able to accomadate everything you are wanting to accomplish

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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2011, 07:53:57 PM »
That last sounds like the ticket.  I mostly want to keep the AH gaming environment "clean", no other internet traffic or programs beyond AH.  I can then try the VMWare from my personal environment.

If I run both in XP (or less likely Win7) I shouldn't have file type issues.  At least between those two environments.

Did I mention I don't like Win7 or the latest Office Suite.  Microsoft giveth user options and customization ability, and Microsoft taketh away user options and customization ability.  I wonder when the world will wake up, fully?  :rofl
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2011, 01:39:05 AM »
I used VMWare running a XP OS. In vmware I ran server 2003, XPpro,Windows 7,Ubuntu. Never had problems. The earlier version of vmware is easier to setup and run. I think version 1.
I have heard of 98 and 95 being run in vmware.

If you decide to go this route.
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2011, 02:44:54 AM »
I used VMWare running a XP OS. In vmware I ran server 2003, XPpro,Windows 7,Ubuntu. Never had problems. The earlier version of vmware is easier to setup and run. I think version 1.
I have heard of 98 and 95 being run in vmware.

If you decide to go this route.

Vmware is suitable for business applications I would be really surprised to see AH2 run more than 10 fps on it.
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2011, 03:38:43 AM »
Vmware is suitable for business applications I would be really surprised to see AH2 run more than 10 fps on it.
He was talkin about running his 98 or 95 windows OS for old games, if you would read the thread. ;). What I said had nothing to running AH in VMWare.
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2011, 04:03:15 AM »
Yes I read him to be saying he would load XP or Win 7 with AH only. The virtual pc with XP mode idea was so he could continue to use his old Office software instead of the newer stuff from upgrades of every 18 months over the span of 7-10 years (whatever that works out to). I know exactly what he means because I used to write lisp routines in Wordstar on a machine that still runs some very old DOS and Windows 98 even though I havent started it in months.
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Re: Give Me A Configuration Opinion
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2011, 12:12:06 PM »
WOW! Man you guy's are really old!  he,he.  sloehand, not knowing too much bout the older DLL Hell OS. he,he I might know a little, but what ever make's you comfortable with you setup, cool thing about it,  if you get tired of plug and play you can hookem up all at once, no biggie! Now your not gonna be useing the ole IDE ribbin HD are you, that would be keeping it a little too real! lol