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« Reply #255 on: December 11, 2011, 12:50:37 AM »
Im curious, was all the combat in  Memphis Belle, Top Gun, IRON EAGLE 1-3, The Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbor or any other movie involving air combat accurate?

Remember this is just my opinion :)

The remade movie "Memphis Belle" was completely inaccurate in terms of the actual flights and crew of the real Belle.  Any one of the old guys like myself who built the Revell model kit of the Belle back in the day knows that the only wound suffered by a Belle crewman was a 'pin scratch' suffered by the tail gunner John Quinlin.  No tail blown off, no dramatic winding down the wheels, nowdead but brought back to life radio man.  They certainly weren't fighting like junior high kids in the waist.  That part seems to really bother the old bomber guys who saw it that I've talked to.

Top Gun was what it was.  I enjoyed it as it never claimed to be anything but a recruiting film. "Watch the canopy!"  Poor Goose. My oldest when he was little referred to it as "Top Gug"

Iron Eagle?  You are kidding right? 

Battle of Britain was probably the best air to air stuff and they went the extra mile to do it.  Saved an awful lot of Spits, Hurris and Spanish 109s and He111s that otherwise probably wouldn't still exist. 

Pearl Harbor? P40Ns running Zekes into each other after out maneuvering them on the deck?  Welch and Taylor rolled over in their graves on that one. The idea that Jimmy Doolittle and the Tokyo Raiders flew in formation in the flak over Japan is hilarious.  I'm still trying to figure out how the guy got from the RAF to the USAAF fighters, only to end up in a B25 over Tokyo 4 months later too.
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« Reply #256 on: December 11, 2011, 12:53:32 AM »
Don't hate! :old: :D :airplane:

Ill hate all day.

Will be an entertaining movie. Joach1m got it right but very vaguely explained what was inaccurate. Guess he doesnt have time if he wants to maintain 68 posts a day.
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« Reply #257 on: December 11, 2011, 01:03:59 AM »
I used to despise the movie "Pearl Harbor" (the latest movie done a few years back with modern warships at pearl harbor). Yeah this movie, half a chick flick and the other half historically inaccurate to say the least. For years we called it the "PH Film" as in - you never talked about it being so inaccurate.

However, if it was made a documentary these days, just how many people would view it? what maybe a few hundred? thousand at most?

The movie has to sell to an audience, regardless of how "accurate" it is sadly.
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« Reply #258 on: December 11, 2011, 01:08:42 AM »
Ill hate all day.

Will be an entertaining movie. Joach1m got it right but very vaguely explained what was inaccurate. Guess he doesn't have time if he wants to maintain 68 posts a day.
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« Reply #259 on: December 11, 2011, 01:17:06 AM »
I used to despise the movie "Pearl Harbor" (the latest movie done a few years back with modern warships at pearl harbor). Yeah this movie, half a chick flick and the other half historically inaccurate to say the least. For years we called it the "PH Film" as in - you never talked about it being so inaccurate.

However, if it was made a documentary these days, just how many people would view it? what maybe a few hundred? thousand at most?

The movie has to sell to an audience, regardless of how "accurate" it is sadly.

I get that part too.  My problem with a film like "Pearl Harbor" is by naming it that you are suggesting it's history.  "From Here to Eternity" is a better movie about Pearl Harbor.  And it's got all the same elements, but it doesn't claim to be "Pearl Harbor".  It's a film based around the time of Pearl Harbor.  

I understand why they did what they did in "Memphis Belle" as they wanted to show lots of the horror of the air war.  But by naming it Memphis Belle they suggest that it is what happened to one crew.  "12 O'Clock High" is in my mind the better film as it does the same thing, without claiming it's history.  What's interesting about that film is that if you know the history you can catch all the specific incidents they refer to that really happened, but you don't walk away thinking it's just this one crew that went through all this stuff.

Again, just my opinion.
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« Reply #260 on: December 11, 2011, 04:26:28 AM »
Remember this is just my opinion :)

The remade movie "Memphis Belle" was completely inaccurate in terms of the actual flights and crew of the real Belle. 

I think what they were trying to show was what happened to many of the B17's all in one mission/plane. From readings many of that stuff did happen, just not to the Belle or to it's group in that last mission. Should've had one of the actors do an explanation next to the real Belle at the end (or beginning) of the movie.

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« Reply #261 on: December 11, 2011, 07:25:23 AM »
Ill hate all day.

Will be an entertaining movie. Joach1m got it right but very vaguely explained what was inaccurate. Guess he doesnt have time if he wants to maintain 68 posts a day.

This is fun, you guys' back and forth bickering BS does not belong on a public forum. Is there an ignore/squelch function for the BBS? If so, please point me to it.
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« Reply #262 on: December 11, 2011, 08:57:09 AM »
I get that part too.  My problem with a film like "Pearl Harbor" is by naming it that you are suggesting it's history.  "From Here to Eternity" is a better movie about Pearl Harbor.  And it's got all the same elements, but it doesn't claim to be "Pearl Harbor".  It's a film based around the time of Pearl Harbor.  

I understand why they did what they did in "Memphis Belle" as they wanted to show lots of the horror of the air war.  But by naming it Memphis Belle they suggest that it is what happened to one crew.  "12 O'Clock High" is in my mind the better film as it does the same thing, without claiming it's history.  What's interesting about that film is that if you know the history you can catch all the specific incidents they refer to that really happened, but you don't walk away thinking it's just this one crew that went through all this stuff.

Again, just my opinion.

I agree completely, It should of never been named after "PH", rather re-named something else - anything other then directed towards a history timeline.
Sadly my ol lady agrees its one of the best movies of all times, so I have no choice to watch it now and then. *Grumbles something about nuclear carriers..
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« Reply #263 on: December 11, 2011, 09:05:53 AM »
I agree completely, It should of never been named after "PH", rather re-named something else - anything other then directed towards a history timeline.
Sadly my ol lady agrees its one of the best movies of all times, so I have no choice to watch it now and then. *Grumbles something about nuclear carriers..


Hell, it's not even good if you ignore the the "history" part and focus on the love story. You got a love triangle where NO ONE had chemistry.
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« Reply #264 on: December 11, 2011, 09:17:08 AM »
I just think it's cool to watch reasonably correct planes zipping around shooting each other.

I can ignore the inaccurate paint schemes etc. I find the CGI a lot better than using A6 Texans for Zeros ala TORA, TORA, TORA.

Almost every trailer Iv'e ever seen is cropped misleadingly but even I could tell that reversal was on a 109 and not a jet.

I'll just watch it and enjoy the visuals. Too bad for those who can't.


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« Reply #265 on: December 11, 2011, 11:40:53 AM »
Hell, it's not even good if you ignore the the "history" part and focus on the love story. You got a love triangle where NO ONE had chemistry.
Actually I think that's kind of accurate in a way. Young Servicemen with a one track mind and (one of) the only ways to get a lil milk back then was to buy the whole cow!
They just about married the first girl they saw.  Us modern fellas know better than to commit to someone you barely know, or it all goes horribly wrong!  :uhoh
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« Reply #266 on: December 11, 2011, 04:23:08 PM »
WOW!  Where to start?  First, the idea that after a particular date the only bombers we put up were silver B-17Gs is wrong.  We flew what we had. Squadrons only received replacements after losses or planes just getting worn out without replacement parts available.  If a plane was Olive Drab, it stayed Olive Drab throughout it's useful life. You would be amazed at what a maintenance crew could do with parts from other aircraft.

Second, I definitely see B-17 G models in the photos of the trailers posted here.

Third, How did they do so much better filming Tora Tora Tora!, Battle of Britain, etc etc?  They actually had more planes available.  The other thing was many planes were "converted" from AT-6s to Zeros, and etc.  Something one wouldn't do with the dwindling number of surviving aircraft and costs of today.  In the Battle of Britain, Spain was actually still using HE-111s when the movie was filmed.

Fourth, The Movie Memphis Belle was in fact extremely inaccurate for the Belle's last flight.  From what I have found, the things that happened to the Belle were straight out of Martin Caidin's Book "Flying Forts".

Lastly, The Movie "Red Tails" will focus on an important group of men who have been until lately, repeatedly overlooked when telling the story of the Air War in Europe.  It is about making people aware that the history is out there, they can then read a more factual account on their own.   Frankly, that is where History and entertainment intersect:  when something like this move can pique your interest enough to make you want to learn more.
And besides, I really DO want to be entertained when I go to see this film.

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« Reply #267 on: December 11, 2011, 09:01:45 PM »
If people approach this movie about a historical event developed by a Hollywierdo who's sole purpose is to entertain, then all will be fine.  But as soon as people start to nit-pick the tid-bits, then too bad for them.  I highly suggest that people remember that this is for entertainment, not historical documentation. 

Exactly.  Lighten up, sheesh. :lol  99% of the people that will see this movie will have no idea what you were just whi- err nitpi- err talking about.  It's just a movie, not a documentary.
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« Reply #268 on: December 12, 2011, 04:13:59 AM »
Hmm... It does say inspired by true events... The 262 'kill' annoyed me though, the pony pilot only took out te left jet engine in the real world.  :old:
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« Reply #269 on: December 12, 2011, 12:03:52 PM »
Buy the cow? I'd marry Kate Beckinsale in a heartbeat and show her some of my pilot moves, like the split S!