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Offline fudgums

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Re: the couger declared extinct.
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 05:23:28 AM »
If they look harder in southern WVa, there have been many people say they have seen cougars down here.
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Re: the couger declared extinct.
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2011, 06:43:03 AM »
We don't need cougars around here.  We have crackheads and they are dangerous enough...
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Re: the couger declared extinct.
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2011, 06:44:51 AM »
Hey Von, Some of those Philly girls are Cougars.... and crackheads.


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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2011, 07:03:23 AM »
We weren't supposed to have them in Iowa...  About 3 years ago pets started disappearing in the town of Carlisle.  A local veterinarian set up a motion triggered camera...  He got a few pics of a healthy adult cougar.  A bit disconcerting, but awesome nonetheless.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2011, 08:40:53 AM »
We weren't supposed to have them in Iowa...  About 3 years ago pets started disappearing in the town of Carlisle.  A local veterinarian set up a motion triggered camera...  He got a few pics of a healthy adult cougar.  A bit disconcerting, but awesome nonetheless.

That is what Kansas department of wildlife and parks keep tell Kansans.  The past fall and land owner caught a few pic of a cougar on his land.  Even i saw one in the field. I still believe that there are more of them in the Kansas area.
These animals have the ability to travel a long distance....as far as 1000 miles in a short time.  Red Rock, Oklahoma found one that got hit by a train.  It was tagged northwest Nebraska area as wildlife officials kept track of it till it diapered.....3 months later it ended up in Oklahoma.   
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2011, 08:47:43 AM »
Yep they are all over the eastern US and I have seen and heard them "screaming" when I was a kid here in Perry County, Alabama. Our neighbor had a farm with lots of pigs and cattle and about once a month either a pig or calf would be found partially eaten out in the area that backed up to our property. My grandfather saw one near there this past fall as they were coming home from church on a bright sunny Sunday afternoon.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2011, 09:01:19 AM »
Yep they are all over the eastern US and I have seen and heard them "screaming" when I was a kid here in Perry County, Alabama. Our neighbor had a farm with lots of pigs and cattle and about once a month either a pig or calf would be found partially eaten out in the area that backed up to our property. My grandfather saw one near there this past fall as they were coming home from church on a bright sunny Sunday afternoon.

Was the kill cover up with brush and dirt?
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2011, 01:02:52 PM »
I took my trip up north last New Years to the family cabin, and was saddened to hear (and of missed out on) there was just a cougar incident I missed out on with a bear dog being taken down in middle of the front driveway of one of the residents that lives in the same river valley we live in (the dog was owned and lost by a non-local bear hunter, who eventualy located it in a bush off to the side of said neighbors driveway).  They called the neighboring Sheriff (couple weeks before he retired at the start of this year) who called the FnG warden (who both thought it looked like a cougar kill), who then called up the tracker, one of only a handful of people in the state that are contracted and certified and permitted to track/trap/hunt/kill cougars.  This all happened just after the first good snowfall up there this year, so the tracker backtracked the blood from the found dog to dead front and center in the driveway.  From there he backtracked and found this cougar has been wandering around the buildings on his place and others of his more imediate neighbors, so it was agreed from this to be a dangerous animal that came down looking for a meal and that didn't just stumble upon one while crossing through the valley.  This neighbor of mine has dogs of his own, a teenaged daughter, as well as other animals cougars would love for dinner - was just random luck he had them all stabled or inside and this unfortunate stanger's lost dog came wandering out of the woods at the wrong place and wrong time.

While my neighbor was catching me up on this story he showed me a picture of the tracks in his driveway on his phone.  I'm no mountain man or tracker by a good stretch, but I've spent enough time outdoors in my youth to see plenty of cougars, tracks and scat.  My imediate reaction was "those are huge!  that's not one of our girls, was it?", referring to a couple of lioness sisters that are the well-known local cats for the last ~6-7 years that are occasionaly spotted together crossing the valley or walking down the road on the way to the river or lake, smart enough to know where their place is and not to ever get "too" close to get into any trouble.  They're both still relatively young and as lionesses go are of a healthy size and build but are obviously young still.

He replied no, that he hadn't seen the sisters since the first weeks of November, but he thinks he had a good idea why.  He then showed me the picture of the killshot with the offending cougar and victorious tracker.  It was the largest and darn-healthiest mature grown lion I had ever seen (go figure), weighing in at 328 pounds (with mind you, likely an empty stomach) and a bit larger than the 5'5" tracker.  A shame though he was becoming a pest, just a gorgeous creature, it's very rare to get to see such large and well-developed lions and to have to put one down is nothing short of a sad loss to the world, especialy since their expanses of range and territory is many times that of the lionesses.  He had tracked it down a few valleys over, on the other side of one of the mountains (and this is no small mountain, see: Bonanza King Mnt.).  The lion was shot as it was traveling through a meadow away from a barn it had been snooping around, another distant neighbor of ours up there (retired couple, they have a few chickens, dog and a cat) was unaware until the tracker came walking out of the woods and knocking on their door asking to look around.

Most cougars I find are smart enough to avoid man, at their worst they may be on the edge with taking advantge of the lazy, fat and plump rabbits and deer that frequent our gardens, but they do go awry once in a while.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2011, 02:57:10 PM »
Was the kill cover up with brush and dirt?

From what I remember they were covered with stuff from the surrounding vegetation but I don't exactly remember. I got to see one when I was about 15 in person but mostly I only remember what my dad and grand dad would tell me after our neighbor reported it to the Game Wardens and they came out to check it for Cougar sign.

The only one I ever saw was before the newbie game warden showed up and said it was a bobcat that took down a 400lb boar hog. I was about 15 and laughed my butt off at the guy. I was standing there when the guy that owned all the livestock flipped him the bird and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw Mr. Taylor do something like that. My grand dad just chuckled in the way that men who served in WW2 do and walked off with him.
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Re: the couger declared extinct.
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2011, 10:59:39 PM »
From what I remember they were covered with stuff from the surrounding vegetation but I don't exactly remember. I got to see one when I was about 15 in person but mostly I only remember what my dad and grand dad would tell me after our neighbor reported it to the Game Wardens and they came out to check it for Cougar sign.

The only one I ever saw was before the newbie game warden showed up and said it was a bobcat that took down a 400lb boar hog. I was about 15 and laughed my butt off at the guy. I was standing there when the guy that owned all the livestock flipped him the bird and walked away. That was the only time I ever saw Mr. Taylor do something like that. My grand dad just chuckled in the way that men who served in WW2 do and walked off with him.

Bobcats can take down a 400 lbs animal but so rare for them to do that.  If the kill was cover up that is a possibility, also if the kill was drag off into the brush and half eating.  Mountain lions only will eat the meat not the organs. 
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Re: the couger declared extinct.
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2011, 06:03:30 AM »
Maybe a 400lb calf but a 400lb boar?

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2011, 09:53:27 AM »
 I love it when people that live in big cities read this stuff . Do cougars need to be exterminated ? Hell no . Do they need to be controlled ? Hell yes . People who say otherwise , never go out of the city . You don't need to go out into the wild for them to be a problem . You don't need to go into their territory to be in danger . In Oregon about 15 or so years ago it was made illegal to hunt cougars with dogs or bait . Population at that time around 500 . Population today , estimates range from 5100-6300 . I personally believe it to be in the area of the 5000's . Now all of these cougars require vast amounts of space to live . So they must seek new territories . 500 is a shameful number . 5700 is a dangerous number . If you disagree let your kids go out to a bus stop at the end of your driveway with tracks from a big young Tom all over the place . He has never been hunted . His mother has never been hunted . In all like likely hood his grandmother has never been hunted . He has no fear of us . He leaves trackways that would show even a city boy he is stalking the bus stops . He is an inexperienced hunter , even though he is surrounded by his natural prey . He is instead looking at humans for a snack . Like all predators he knows to get injured is too risk death . So he targets the most vulnerable . My kids , not yours mine . Because of the huge amounts of confrontations between humans and cougars Oregon DFW has come up with a plan to get the number down to 3000 or so . While we don't make the laws for the state . That is done by the population pockets in Portland and Eugene , a tiny portion of the state geographically . It is where the vast majority of the population lives . They will never have face a  cougar themselves nor worry when they send jr. to school . They make a huge uproar about any plan to control the animal . It is one thing to admire the beast . On Animal Planet it is one thing . To smell it not be able to see it another . I am not for a return to a population of 500 . I don't like the present plan to control it much either . They will be hunted by professional hunters with dogs . The number is close , but should be raised from 3000 to 3500 or so . Tags should be sold by lottery . Entering should carry a huge price with no refunds if you don't get a tag . The ban on using dogs would have to be lifted . There is no other way to successfully hunt them . What is the difference between paying   a professional to do it with dogs . As opposed to letting amateurs do it with dogs . Only one thing . The price . Now alot of people will probably link some pages of attack statistics to us . Remember one thing . Not long ago as the super bowl approached . We would hear all these reports and claims by women's organization about huge increase in domestic violence cases in ER's around the country . I heard it for years . For you younger guys ,the worst thing possible entered the picture . A man or 2 that could do some math . It was proven that the ridiculous numbers were disproved . The countries ER system would have collapsed . It boils down to this the flora nad fauna do not need to be raped . Some elements need control . This is one of them . BTW try to find a list of confrontations in Oregon .  One last thought until Dec 2010 the Alabama DFW would have told you had you inquired that their were no Cougars in the state . Only took an attack to show that they may have under estimated just a little .
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2011, 09:54:33 AM »
true they are designed to kill, but think about it. do we really have the right to kill off a whole species of animal that roamed this earth longer than we have?
i find it the same way with all animals.
if we get killed by them, then its our own fault for wandering into its territory. most of humanity has lost all its respect for nature. and then get a hard dose of reality slapped in there face when nature retaliates.

if you get attacked by the animal, by all means defend yourself. but to go out and hunt the animal to sell its fur and body just for a little $$$? that is unacceptable.

theres ways of keeping cougers out of human zones and humans out of couger territory without bloodshed being needed on ether side.

sadly tho humans get greedy. and over expand. pushing animals to the brink of there habitat. you can only push a wild animal back so many times before it desides to lash out.
Neither the right nor the need . We do how ever have the right and the need to control them .

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2011, 02:09:12 PM »
Question, what makes you think a population of 500 is to low or 5700 is to high? 
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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2011, 02:36:17 PM »
Yeah Oak, I was wondering what experience you had with these.  There haven't been very many confirmed sightings here in Kansas, but about half the people you talk to will swear they saw one.  Not too long ago here in Lawrence we had a large cat get hit by a car on the outskirts of town.  They never got a picture of it and just cleaned it up, which led many people to believe the Lawrence Police is now involved in the conspiracy to cover-up mountain lions in the area.  :rolleyes:
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