Author Topic: Stained concrete  (Read 1035 times)

Offline Babalonian

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5817
      • Pigs on the Wing
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 03:32:43 PM »
I just built my house go to strusehouse.blogspot.com

I did my own poured concrete countertop as well as colored concrete.

Ok I did dyed concrete for the floors they I ground them to expose some agraget then sealed it to bring out the shine. On the counter tops I dyed the concrete then ground them and polished them. My wife wants the kitchen counter tops darker so we are acid dying them more of a chocolet color.

I would definatly do it again. But I have radiant floor heat so my toes are nice and warm.

One neat thing you can do with the cracks in the floor is use them as an artistic feature. Use a bright  color and slurry the crack then grind the floor. It will leave lightning type accents in the floor. Wife would only let me slurry the grout lines ( we diamond saw cut a tile 4x4 ft pattern in the floor ) in a line brown contrast color. We did raised grout lines so the floor is smooth across it's surface  no dips in the grout lines to catch dirt.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. We used a solvent based acrylic to seal the floor. It smelled for days. Nasty stuff.

Your sawcuts and the tile texture would count as score lines, but if you want a large slab with minimal or no cracking look into properly placing expansion joints and score lines into it.  You can coat them, seal them, color them, hide them (in a 4x4' tile pattern, space them 8 or 12' apart), and all that for whatever desired results, bout the only downside to them is that you don't have a solid uninterupted slab (which could be a structural or decor requirement you have to meet, it's all situational).


That's the way I've seen it done before in new construction. Never seen anyone color stain old concrete.

Its called paint.  :ahand  OK, enough of me being a sob while agreeing completely with you.

Getting rid of the old natural grey conretes and replacing them with new and colored concrete is becoming very popular in commercial aplications and I don't see why not for residential either.  It might not be available in some areas yet (a willing and able contractor and/or cement plant is all you need), but you can get any desired color and texture you want.  Choose a few of your desired favorites that go well together in some pattern and you have one of the most economic and flexible forms of artistic hardscape available at the moment.  The only thing cheaper than it is the generic natural (out here, it's Mexican grey) they add the coloring into, so clients like when you talk about getting a lot of ooohs and aaahs for only pennies per square yard.

Couple weeks ago I went along on a sign-off of a recent decorative concrete instalation at Hoag Hospital.  They've been using it for a while and have a set palette, so we designed a pattern and then simply called it out as color A, B and C.  I didn't know it until I went to the site walk that A and B are the typical generic natural with color added but C was very unique to the hospital grounds and I've never seen it before.  Concrete contractor had burlap bags full of these little sea shells (which I speculate only the lord knows how many 3rd world children were exploited to gather).  The contractor would take some shells and lay them out, throw a steel plate ontop of them, get the whole crew to dance and sing to some mariachi music for a few minutes while hopping around on the steel plate.  They would then scoop up the desirabley pulverized shells and lay them in a thick layer ontop of a generic natural pour, and press them into the conrete.  I was surprised to find out that the sea shell concrete was relatively cheap.  Noticabley more costly than the usual colored concrete, but still in the additional nickle and penny range per yard.

Right now I'm actually interested and looking into any vehicular rated permiable colored or natural conretes I can find (ideal for LEED designs and large flatop surfaces where drainage and runoff are the issue, and you want the rainwater to be able to get into the soil underneath).  Some samples I've been seeing it's scary how smooth they're getting the surface texture these days (which in permiable concrete is an oxymoron and has been a major downside to the product as not even Pamela Anderson would take a knee to it).  Soon as i'm confident enough in the product and method of instalation is suitable enough for a large expanse of playground flat-top I'm sure that we're gonna start using it.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2011, 03:40:04 PM by Babalonian »
-Babalon
"Let's light 'em up and see how they smoke."
POTW IIw Oink! - http://www.PigsOnTheWing.org

Wow, you guys need help.

Offline Sonicblu

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 653
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 07:36:34 PM »
you live in a bunker or something? that's a lot of concrete...  :huh

lol did you see the pics. I also did polysteel walls ICF's. 8" for basement 6' for all exterior  walls and wall between garage and living space.

I also have 2'x2' footers. I have almost 2 miles of rebar and 250 yards of concrete.  :x :x

The slickest thing was the light deck foam forms for the concrete floor over the basement. I spanned 25'x25' basement with concrete floor with no supports underneath. It lets you make poured in place concrete ibeams.

It was a great project for the family.






Offline trax1

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3973
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 07:41:26 PM »
Walker Texas Ranger?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson

Offline Sonicblu

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 653
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 07:57:50 PM »
I saw that sonic and I will probably hit you up on the details for the countertops some day.  I really want those :D

It is, according to my research, possible to acid stain old concrete so long as you clean it thoroughly.  Now naysayers talk the 'it will be really cold in winter' bit but I can live with that if it turns out to be true.  I love the look and the maintainability of it and the cost to convert is relatively inexpensive.

I am NOT looking forward to the labor of removing the lino from the kitchen or bathroom but.. such is life. 

When ever your ready just pm me. I have the ultimate poor mans formula to rock hard concrete counter tops you can polish almost like glass, without using slurry in the air holes that form in it. You don't have to buy those expensive hardeners.

Yes lowes are Home Despot have acid dyes. Not much selection. Just order it online or fine a concrete supply store like Borders. Then what Closer said. If you have time rent an electric concrete floor grinder/polisher if you want to expose some aggregate.
I used 1" stucco foam board under my concrete floors as a thermal break and a little insulation so mine stays warm even with a heat pump. ( forced scorched air heat ) :devil  Sorry that will be a no go for you.

Offline Dichotomy

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12391
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2011, 08:55:23 PM »
Many thanks Sonic... I will keep you in mind.

We're starting with the 'guest' bedroom this weekend.  I figure it's best to paint it so the carpet we're going to rip out can actually act as a 'dropcloth' then we'll rip it out when we're done. 

What would you recommend for fixing any surface cracks or fixing any damage done by pulling out the tack strips?

Bab

Is there any subject you don't know something about? (I mean that in a good way sir)
JG11 - Dicho37Only The Proud Only The Strong AH Players who've passed on :salute

Offline Sonicblu

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 653
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2011, 03:33:20 PM »
Lol I don't know everything I do like to research before I do something then just do it. :banana:

Home Despot has bags or boxes of floor leveler in the concrete section. They have three different levels/hardness of floor levelers. Mix only small amounts is throw away bucket as it hardens fast real fast you won't have time to clean bucket and apply product at the same time unless you've done it before. You can add a small amount of vinegar to slow down the cure rate if you need to. That is what I used. I had some mistakes in my concrete as I'm not a professional concrete finisher.

I would leave the cracks alone personally,wife didn't want me to slurry them because it wouldn't match her color scheme. We used an acrylic solvent bases floor sealer (4 coats) and just really filled the cracks, it looks really nice. Give some character to the floor.

If not use floor leveler or grout,
 I would not use any kind of caulking or adhesive crack filler.
With grout you can use some color for accents.

Let me know how it turns out. Sounds like fun.

Offline DREDIOCK

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17775
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2011, 08:59:25 PM »
Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
Ask those who have been before you
What fate the future holds
It ain't pretty

Offline DREDIOCK

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17775
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2011, 09:11:43 PM »
I am a concrete contractor and do that all the time. Nothing to it. Clean surface, air blow off, get sprayer and spray in circles all around let sit for a week then apply sealer same way. Protect walls as some stains are acid and will damage adjacent items. Tape off areas to create designs with a day seperation of application.
 :cheers:

I'm a contractor Paint/stain/wallpaper/handman etc

There ya go. This is the guy to talk to. Best answer I've seen so far

Dont blow off the sealer. Its what will keep the stained surface looking...stained.

I used to have better pictures of this but lost them. Had the thread here about 5 years ago on it too.
Yep did the concrete (Mixed entirely by hand) and staining myself on my own house. Had several customers ask what I would charge to do theirs the same way. My responce "Too much"
Taken last winter

Fun with Icicles
Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
Ask those who have been before you
What fate the future holds
It ain't pretty

Offline Dichotomy

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12391
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2011, 10:30:12 PM »
 :O

azzkickin :)
JG11 - Dicho37Only The Proud Only The Strong AH Players who've passed on :salute

Offline Stalwart

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1055
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 10:49:23 PM »
My first thought when i read the thread opener was, "Yeah, with a skateboard."

Offline rpm

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15661
Re: Stained concrete
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 01:07:51 AM »
Its called paint.  :ahand  OK, enough of me being a sob while agreeing completely with you.
LOL, I wasn't counting paint or expoxy. :neener:
I've always seen it colored when a new slab was poured. Staining old set concrete is a land I've never ventured into.

Closer, I remember that old thread. Baddazz job!  :cheers:
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Stay thirsty my friends.