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[MickDono]

omfg, you still cant see it. What makes you blinded, Mick? 

too much hand loving 

[Delirium]

Because that is the criteria for inclusion in the game.  Actual combat.

I don't know about you, but I would consider shooting down V1s as combat; it wasn't easy and it was certainly dangerous.

[JOACH1M]

I don't know about you, but I would consider shooting down V1s as combat; it wasn't easy and it was certainly dangerous.

[Debrody]

If we count the v1s planes, the meteor fits the criteria better than a couple planes we already have.

[Imowface]

Think of a V1 as a bomber with a bomb, and it was still very dangerous to attack them
http://www.hawkertempest.se/res/Movies/v1kill.mpa

[MORAY37]

I don't know about you, but I would consider shooting down V1s as combat; it wasn't easy and it was certainly dangerous.

The same people that consider shooting V1's combat probably think shooting buildings is too.

[Imowface]

see the link above...

[ACE]

If the Luftweenies get a jet then so should we!

[Delirium]

The same people that consider shooting V1's combat probably think shooting buildings is too.

You are kidding, right? I'm not talking about what happens in a game, I'm talking about the historical pilots having a flying bomb literally blow up in their faces. Every sortie was dangerous in war time, even if you didn't find the enemy/V1s. Besides, these guys were trying to prevent these things from hitting civilian targets. If memory serves, 5k people were killed or wounded from these V1s.

That is a very low comment, even from you, Moray. Then again, by your definition even the guys that flew in Operation Jericho never saw combat, since they were only shooting at buildings.

[Guppy35]

Moray, that was clueless to say the least.  Suggest you look up Jean Maridor, a Free French pilot from 91 Squadron in regards to V-1s. 

Dixie Deans of 616 gained a bit of attention when he tipped a V-1 with his Meteor wing tip.  Some Spit drivers and an RAF 51 driver had managed that trick but it was a dangerous one.  It was a last resort after running out of ammo.

[MORAY37]

Moray, that was clueless to say the least.  Suggest you look up Jean Maridor, a Free French pilot from 91 Squadron in regards to V-1s.  

Dixie Deans of 616 gained a bit of attention when he tipped a V-1 with his Meteor wing tip.  Some Spit drivers and an RAF 51 driver had managed that trick but it was a dangerous one.  It was a last resort after running out of ammo.

Listen, I'm not saying it wasn't inherently dangerous.  I'm not saying it wasn't noble.  But it's flying in a straight line.  It's a known flightpath.  It's NOT shooting at you or inherently trying to kill YOU.  There has to be some guideline to warrant inclusion into the game.... and that is the airframe had to be involved in combat.  Shooting down a drone, whether stuffed with explosives or teddy bears, isn't combat. It's not a thinking being actively trying to kill you.

How the hell did this go from "include the meteor" to some kind of moral referendum?  Seriously, not taking away from the pilots that did these things... but drones aren't combat.

[Imowface]

define combat moray

[Volron]

He 162.

[MORAY37]

define combat moray

combat
n combat [ˈkombӕt, (American ) kəmˈbat]
(an act of) fighting The two knights met each other in single combat. stryd, geveg يُقاتِل، يُحارِب сражение boj kamp; strid; dyst der (Zwei-)Kampf μάχη combate vġitlus نبرد؛ مبارزه taistelu combat קְרָב युद्ध borba küzdelem, ütközet pertarungan bardagi combattimento, battaglia 戦闘 전투 kova kauja; cīņa bertempur gevecht (nĉr)kamp, strid walka combate luptă поединок boj boj borba kamp, strid การต่อสู้ çarpışma, muharebe 戰鬥 бій لڑنا ، جنگ کرنا trận đánh 战斗
v
to fight against; to oppose

Please explain to me how a V1 drone is actively opposing the Meteor, any more than the ground is?  How is it actively fighting the Meteor by flying in a straight line?  How is this even a discussion for inclusion?

[Imowface]

Maybe the V1 isnt opposing the meteor, but but shooting it down the meteor is opposing the V1 is it not? there for it is fighting against it, is it not? let me ask you this, is a boat opposing a B-25H? or is a train opposing a fighter bomber? or what about a tank opposing an Il-2? are you saying that all of these acts of attacking an enemy are not combat?