262 peer

[JOACH1M]

Secret Association of P-38 Pilots....and nowhere in the logo is it redundant

I was wrong, I didn't say it was redundant

source?

Gloster Meteor F Mk. III Vs Me262 comparison.

Meteor pros:

Better low to mid speed handling.
Better cannon for fighter engagements.
Slightly lighter.
Can equip 2x 1,000lb bombs or 16 anti tank rockets.

Me262 pros:

Faster.
Better high speed handling.
Better cannon for buff hunting.
Longer range.
Smaller profile.

Both had equal rate of climb at sea level.

This is where I saw the info...someone who did research

[Banshee7]

I was wrong, I didn't say it was redundant

It's ok, I still love you 

[moot]

Where's that quote from?

[BnZs]

Provided there are no unexpected quirks in the meteor modeling, you can count on Meteor sorties outnumbering 262 sorties by a factor of five to 1 if both are given the same perk value.

[MORAY37]

Understand this: The Meteor with its lighter wingloading would be much more maneuverable than the 262, and have four easy-aim lazer Hizookas in the nose

Wrong.  The meteor Mk 1 was extremely underpowered.  The MkIII had better engines, but with control limiters installed to prevent loss of aircraft (wasn't cleared for aerobatics at all), and had slushy response, as quoted by pilots serving with it.  The nose was very difficult to slave to a target and hold.  The roll rate was described as "atrocious".  Pilots who flew both the 262 and the Meteor stated the 262 was much more nimble and control responsive, as well as a much steadier guns platform...let alone being faster.

The 262 would hold all the cards, and more importantly, would control the terms of the fight, disengaging at will.

[oakranger]

  Neither the 262 or Meteor were used on offensive ops. 

What is consider a "offensive ops"? 

[BnZs]

Wrong.  The meteor Mk 1 was extremely underpowered.  The MkIII had better engines, but with control limiters installed to prevent loss of aircraft (wasn't cleared for aerobatics at all), and had slushy response, as quoted by pilots serving with it.  The nose was very difficult to slave to a target and hold.  The roll rate was described as "atrocious".  Pilots who flew both the 262 and the Meteor stated the 262 was much more nimble and control responsive, as well as a much steadier guns platform...let alone being faster.

The 262 would hold all the cards, and more importantly, would control the terms of the fight, disengaging at will.

Such handling defects will not appear in AHII.

[MORAY37]

Such handling defects will not appear in AHII.

Lol.  Another "overlook the truth moment".

[Bruv119]

+1  for the RAF's first jet aircraft that saw action during WW2 in squadron service.  Nuff said.

[MORAY37]

+1  for the RAF's first jet aircraft that saw action during WW2 in squadron service.  Nuff said.

I mean, if you count the 4 that were on the continent from 616 Sqdrn in January 1945 as a "squadron".

The most engaged Meteor's got was by their own forces, from misidentification problems. 

[BnZs]

Lol.  Another "overlook the truth moment".

Such handling defects do not typically appear in AHII. For instance, look at our 109s and Zeros, both of which can still contentedly pull Gs at nearly 400mph IAS.

For purposes of AHII, it does not matter whether an aircraft could be handled well with two fingers on the stick or whether you really had to muscle it to get full deflection at speed, since we are all interfacing through little plastic joysticks sitting on our desks.

[Debrody]

Such handling defects do not typically appear in AHII. For instance, look at our 109s and Zeros, both of which can still contentedly pull Gs at nearly 400mph IAS.

Well the 109 is overmodelled. Should lock up at 250 
Btw, if the meteor really outmaneuvers the 262, its a beast. But be realistic plz, and request for that meteor which seen action during the war. It was in service inm '44, was produced in numbers, but dont THINK it ever met any flying enemy aircraft. I dont know much about that aircraft tho.

[Chalenge]

You have to be careful in speaking in such absolutes Krusty.   While I'm not one who sees the Meteor as a need, it certainly warrants consideration for addition to the game at some point.  Based on conversations I had back in my Spit XII researching days, with a B of B vet turned Supermarine Service test pilot, then a 616 squadron Meteor pilot, the Meteor was a peer of the 262.  He was on the continent with 616 and ended up flying a 262 prior to the end of the war.  He described the performance as similar.  He saw the 262 armament as the biggest difference.

No it doesnt. Men much more qualified than anyone here have stated unequivocably that the Meteor would not have stood a chance against the 262. One of those men is Capt. Eric Brown Chief Naval Test Pilot at RAF Farnborough 1944-1949... C.O. Captured Enemy Aircraft Flight 1945-1946:

"Pedestrian compared to the 262. The Meteor wasnt in the same class. The Meteor 4 picked up quite a bit and was moving in the right direction but neither of them rose to the challenge of beating the Me 262. The Vampire the first jet to land on a carrier would never have kept up with the Me 262."

I dont know who your BoB vet was but I would call him on it.

[JOACH1M]

Where's that quote from?

Private forum

[dirtdart]

Nice comments, thanks.  Bummer on the P-80s.   

I wonder which one would win in a AH stallfight.....