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Offline Strip

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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2011, 07:55:03 PM »
The system that sent man to the moon is long gone, a shadow of its former self. The
two loss of aircraft events would probably have never happened in the Mercury, Gemini,
Apollo era.

One only needs to read the accident investigations to see that.

http://caib.nasa.gov/news/press_releases/pr031028.html

The CAIB found evidence that more than one NASA manager actively squelched plans
that could have saved the orbiter.

The current NASA management has little in common with the prior eras and their
accomplishments. Although they have achieved many great things I strongly feel
that style that was used in the 60's and 70's could have acheived far more with
the same resources.

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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2011, 08:45:54 PM »
NASA management also selectively squelched plans for the next rocket program so they could pretend Congress' criteria couldn't be met.
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2011, 11:20:09 PM »
I doubt I'll ever get to see one live.

I was in college in 1981 and all us engineers had a champagne party at 8 am in the morning to toast this engineering marvel. It's sad that this chapter is over, with no real replacement yet, either government or private sponsored.

If you like the band RUSH, they also were on hand for the first launch, and were awe-inspired and wrote a song about it. "Countdown", on their SIGNALS album (same album that has "Subdivisions" and "New World Man") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5IA-xPGDB0

Just look at the cars, hairstyles, etc....The shuttles have been around a long time...

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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2011, 11:24:29 PM »
I can, the whole NASA system is garbage...it takes them two days of paperwork to tighten a B nut!

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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2011, 01:01:46 AM »


The CAIB found evidence that more than one NASA manager actively squelched plans
that could have saved the orbiter.



I'm sorry Strip.  Nothing could have saved the Columbia after SRB ignition.  They could have prepped Discovery/Atlantis(?) for a very unsafe crew rescue attempt in orbit, (by all accounts they could have done an abbreviated 3 week countdown on the other shuttle on the second pad)  but Columbia was doomed as a craft after the boosters ignited.  That also puts another crew and orbiter at risk for an issue that no one quite understood.  

The main cause for concern, to me, was so many smart people so unconcerned about anything hitting a spacecraft on ascent, especially after Discovery came back a year earlier from a hop to the station looking like someone had taken a shotgun to her belly from a foam/ice strike at about the same time off the pad that Columbia took her fatal strike. (the only thing that saved Discovery then was the location of the loss of tiles... it did not allow plasma to enter the structural supports of the orbiter...but did melt some of the orbiter's actual skin)

 If you are speaking about that failure, then I agree.  But, as it stood, Colombia was a dead bird the second the boosters went off, only no one knew it until a week and a half later.

Reading what happened behind the scenes during Columbia is sobering.  Junior officers and Engineers going behind the backs of superiors because the superiors wouldn't listen to their concerns.  Space Command getting ready to take a photo of the orbiter on orbit from spy satellites (moved the birds and tasked the mission)..... and being stopped by the flight director at the last second when she found out the request didn't follow the proper chain of submission (it simply hadn't gone through her).   Radar echoes showing the missing panel, dislodged, and floating along beside Columbia every day for the length of the flight.  Really sad.  Watching the last 10 minutes of that mission is just unreal.
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2011, 01:11:11 AM »
I did not word that properly, it should have read "plans that could have saved the crew." and
I agree the orbiter was probably lost the second it launched. Although a rescue mission possibly
faced the same fate there would have been no shortage of volunteers. That community is not that
different than say a scout/sniper team trying to save the crew of a Blackhawk. They know the
risks going in but a good chance at saving seven lives would be worth the risk of losing theirs.

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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2011, 09:12:34 AM »
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-hd-tv

Discovery just started its final orbit, landing in about an hour 45 minutes.
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2011, 10:59:21 AM »
<S> to the crew. Glad to see they made it home safely!
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2011, 11:51:52 AM »
I'm sad to see this go too.  I know some of you live pretty close and as a kid I went to my grandparents' house in Melbourne just about every spring and summer and saw my share of launches.  What's interesting is when I talked to my great uncle in January after my grandma passed.  We went over to my great ant & uncle's house who I had not seen in ages.  I vaguely remembered he worked at the cape but didn't know where.  He never actually told me what he did but when they were talking about it my great aunt mentioned that with the cut backs and layoffs and doom of the program he went in and offered his early retirement.  Apparently he is the only one (which I find extremely odd) that knows how to do his particular job so he was told he can't retire just yet until he reaches that magical age or the program is gone.  I think he either 1. just tells my great aunt that and opts to keep working instead of spending all day around her or 2. they don't want to give him the retirement money just yet for some reason.  Either way it's pretty neat to see mission patches and memorabilia from every shuttle crew from the beginning to now in his den.
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2011, 11:53:11 AM »
Was a beautiful landing... its crowded like hell right now but I'm still a bit emotional... :cry
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2011, 11:55:36 AM »
Video loaded about 30 seconds too late.   Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  :mad:
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2011, 12:00:18 PM »
Alright, push it off the side of the runway and get ready for the next one.  :)
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Re: Discovery: STS-133
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2011, 12:33:47 PM »
Alright, push it off the side of the runway and get ready for the next one.  :)

Well Endeavour should be rolling to the pad tomorrow ;)
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